CZECH LINE HIP SCORES - Page 7

"Well you think wrong. I know quit a bit about evaluating hips during this era. I know some of the people who have done it. The ones I know are painfully honest. What is your proof for such sweeping statement?  Or are you just stirring a pot?"

Not stirring any pot; just pointing out what should be obvious to anyone who has thought this through and it isn't limited to x-rays, it's limited to all of the information on the pedigrees...titles, lineage, etc.  Don't get your panties in a bunch; this isn't an indictment of you or anyone else.  I'm sure there were plenty of honest people doing the best they could to uphold the breed and whatnot but pardon me if I'm somewhat skeptical about the availability of resources in many of those countries during that time.  I could be mistaken but you can understand how it might be difficult to believe that x-rays for dogs were always available when basic healthcare for people did not always seem so.

The bigger issue is record keeping.  There have, at times, been some questions about the accuracy of the pedigrees in some of the lines; haven't there?  While I'm sure that you and many others like you kept meticulous records, can we assume that everyone did so?  Again, pardon my skepticism but we're talking about a part of the world that, at that time, couldn't manage to keep track of its nuclear weapons or even its fighter jets...I know someone who was smuggling MIG's out of Kyrgyzstan in the early 90's.  Under the circumstances, I don't think it's unreasonable to question the validity of their records on dogs.

simple hans , if you have the dog xrayed , ask for another set of pictures , or later on  an extra disc with the pictures

Keith,I can assure you that health care was available to everyone in former Czechoslovakia before 1989 AND it was free and on a high level.

Second that, free healthcare for people. Sometimes you had to know people to get into the surgery (specialized surgery with a surgeon who done those) but it was done.

 Keith in defense of you I would say that I have heard these myths before.
But let me assure you. 

.......Health care was free since 1948 and on a quite a good level. For example child mortality was always one of the smallest on the world and usually better then USA:
http://www-958.ibm.com/software/data/cognos/manyeyes/datasets/infant-mortality-rates-by-country-/versions/1

And yes we have had  x rays,( Duh!!!) and Czech  record keeping unfortunately  too good in bureaucratic minded state which descended from Austro- Hungarian empire. 
        I assure you that accuracy of pedigrees was very good. These myths are and were perpetuated by German breeders who see slipping away from them big part of their GSD market which they used to have monopoly on. 
Statement which you are making simply are not the truth or not more or less truth then if they would be made about Germany or any other country in Europe. 
 And I do not know why you are talking about former Soviet Union. Czechoslovakia is not and never was part of Soviet Union same as Canada is not part of USA.
 Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

"For example child mortality was always one of the smallest on the world and usually better then USA..."

While child mortality was at a reasonable rate, your link does not support, "usually better than the USA;" not that our health care system should be the litmus test because it pretty much sucks.

"And yes we have had x rays..."

I didn't suggest otherwise.

"And I do not know why you are talking about former Soviet Union. Czechoslovakia is not and never was part of Soviet Union same as Canada is not part of USA."

I never mentioned the Soviet Union but Czechoslovakia was a de facto Soviet satellite state and decidedly communist with all the issues inherent in that type of system.  Let's not pretend that it was the land-o-plenty.

So, is it your assertion that there have been no questions about any of the lines from the Czech Republic?

Child mortality: Check it your self:) USA has poor record of infant mortality.Always about 2-3 times worse ( depending on dates) then Czech rep. or Czechoslovakia.
But here for your convenience:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

X rays : Here is your quote. :it might be difficult to believe that x-rays for dogs were always available 
YES!
And Czechs live on trees. I got it. If the hips rating is mentioned on the official pedigree then it was done on x ray machine and officially evaluated. Just like in Germany or USA.

 Soviet Union: You are comparing relatively  independent and  economically advanced Czechoslovakia which is a country to  Kirghistan which was an state within USSR country with third world type economy?

So, is it your assertion that there have been no questions about any of the lines from the Czech Republic?
No I am not personally aware of any such problems.  I am asserting (again) that there were no more problems then anywhere else.

Are you specifically aware of any such  provable problems?



Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

If it was such a great place, why did you come here?

Libery!
Prager

LOL...good answer!