Picture taking at Events - discussion - Page 7

For those who are camera shy grow a thicker skin!!! This can be masked any way you like but it is still grade school stuff. 

 Agreed......thicker skin is in order.

Bob I actually don't mind if people take pictures of me from the same angle as my avitar...

Hodie, some where there is a picture of Bob and I doing our Sch 1's together a few years back - talk about 5 lbs of ugly in a 2lb bag.. although my hawaiian shirt does take the focus off my head....

Jeff

Now Jeff, don't try to upstage Bob's photos......on the other hand, maybe if people saw the photo you mention they would question the wisdom of taking photos at all? LOL...and geez, Hawaiian shirts are my fav!!!

"Have you ever been stopped from taking Videos and Pics at a super bowl/championship boxing/soccer/
baseball game, "

add to that concert, etc.

the answer is hell yes.  you cant even use the terms "superbowl" or "march madness"  without paying royalties to someone who owns the name.  ever see or hear the disclaimer at the end of any nfl football game? 

so, someone comes to my trial, takes some pics of me and my dog, post them on their website showing what wonderful pics they can take and  from that gets paid to take photos for someone else.   where is my piece of the pie?  you use me as an advertisement to gain more jobs.   where is my compensation?

second thing.   you dont like me or my dog.   you show up and take some crappy pics of me and my dog, post them all over the web telling the world what a s--t trainer i am and how bad my dog looks.   think it  doesnt happen?  think again.   
makes me want to make a t-shirt to wear on trial day with bold letters saying " no picture or video" 

do we all see now how this can take so many faces so quickly?   

makes me want to make up a sign saying " no photos or videos of any competitor without the written permission of the handler, judge, and hosting club"

john

"so, someone comes to my trial, takes some pics of me and my dog, post them on their website showing what wonderful pics they can take and  from that gets paid to take photos for someone else.   where is my piece of the pie?  you use me as an advertisement to gain more jobs.   where is my compensation?"

For what? How much compensation do you want? The poor photographer stood out there in the weather took several hundred photos, maybe, maybe somebody buys a couple. He takes a nice pic of you and your dog and shows it off, what was he hurting???? He's probably lucky if he's paying for his equipment, much less the time spent.

I spend a lot of hours shooting to get a few really great shots, no I am not a pro. I share most of them, make a few bucks off of some of them. Most people appreciate that there is someone there to take the photos. I usually buy photos of my dogs when someone else is taking them. Just like the many hours of training to get the perfect voraus, photographers spend many hours to perfect their art as well.

I have seen a person attacked by show organizers who showed up to take photos of a friends dogs at an agility event. But that is the one and only time in over a decade of dog shows. (he left without much of an appreciation for our sport sad to say..something about the rude people he found there...)Most people when asked NICELY would put away the camera if that were the rules. Don't ASSUME that people know the rules for your event. I think that everyone has more than enough to do at a trial without signing multiple releases for multiple photographers and permission slips for everyone to maybe snap a photo or two. Wow, someone really liked your dog and wanted a photo. If I really want a copy of a photo of your dog (or I don't know how many thousand others...) off of some website, like I don't know....maybe a pedigree database.....I could easily copy one. Doesn't take shooting at an event to get a photo.

Personally I like photos. As my older dog gets closer to retirement, I cherish each and every one and thank the multitudes of people who shot those photographs who will in the long run be some of the only tangible products left to remember her by. The pros snap the wall art, and the friends snap the candids the make us smile. All in all priceless memories on a bit of film.

Thank goodness for those brave souls who shot photos back in the day who got those few scraps so we can see how the breed originated. A picture after all is worth more than a thousand words...So bring on the photographers, and should I ever meet you at a show, I will gladly take a break and go to the bathroom to leave you to your privacy sir. Or maybe snap a photo of your ironically funny t-shirt to share with my photographer friends....

Hi Bob
You are younger than i imagined you to be, Your still only a young whipper snapper yet, Good Pic's
Steve

"Have you ever been stopped from taking Videos and Pics at a super bowl/championship boxing/soccer/
baseball game, "

add to that concert, etc.

the answer is hell yes.  you cant even use the terms "superbowl" or "march madness"  without paying royalties to someone who owns the name.  ever see or hear the disclaimer at the end of any nfl football game?


The answer is a bit different.  You can tape or photograph any pee wee, grade school high school etc football game or baseball game or any amateur sport you'd like.  You can't video a super bowl because that is owned by the NFL.  You can take photos, everyone i know takes pics at all major sporting events.

I'm not sure what the rule is, i'm sure its complicated because as it stands I don't believe USA or the WDA as an organization has a firm stance on the issue and beyond that, they don't really "own" any of the trials other than maybe a championship caliber trial, very unlike the NFL. and even then you can video with lots of cameras nowadays, you just can't make profits by selling the video.  I've certainly shot video at a NFL games along with still shots.  I've done it at concerts too.


I'm not too worried about it.  most of the worlds critics on the message board don't amount to a pile of crap anyway.  What they think or spout off about is usually to people of the same caliber so it really doesn't affect me much.  Take bad pics of me, I don't care.  I try to live decent enough and don't think i've ever made anybody mad enough to really want to take the time and make a concerted effort to make me look bad on the net by taking bad pics or video.  and if I did, i'd try to be a nicer person or not associate with degenerates that would do such a thing.


But I have taken professional pics before too.  We were official event photographers, not in dog sports, but others.  Nobody was ever stopped from taking pics with their cameras.  We just had a better designated area to take pics from closer to the action and we could sell our pics on site, the rest couldn't.  I never had a problem with it.

 3) If you take a picture of a dog making a mistake, delete it, your dog will probably do the same thing (or already has)

 

IMO, this is the main reason people get so worried and get their panties in a twist about photos; they are afraid they are going to look bad. And one of the reason that looking bad is so horrifying is that people hide the fact that they and their dogs sometimes look bad. If everyone stopped all this BS about only showing only the good stuff, maybe people would see that we all look bad from time to time and start to feel that looking bad is just another facet of dog training. And further, GET OVER IT …YA’ CRY BABY!!!

Christopher,

A bad picture showing a mistake is not bad in and of itself but I have seen people use a picture (say of a dog coming off a sleeve) taken out of context (as a picture is basically just a statement of a point in time) to say somthing happened that actually did not. ( if you had several pics that would equate to a several points and thus a better conclusion) That is where the problem comes in . You can use a factual statment to make untrue point.  I have never been afraid to make a mistake and I believe that we all can learn from them. But a picture can be a powerful statement.  with time passing we can forget some of what precipitated the mistake.  I have probably about 5-6000 photos of different dog stuff,  Why keep the bad ones?

Just one other point I would like to make I have no problem with people taking photographs they have the right to do it as long as they do not interfere with peoples right to work their dogs

JMO

Jeff