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by Bob McKown on 31 January 2009 - 11:01
Did I touch a nerve there my friend!!!
by Mystere on 31 January 2009 - 15:01
by wuzzup on 31 January 2009 - 16:01
by Rexy on 31 January 2009 - 18:01
People purchasing a GSD puppy bred in this basis are paying the higher prices based on ancestors show results in the belief that their purchase represents a fine example of the breed to find out that although their purchase has good pigment and the correct length forearm, the other features one would expect in a GSD are not there???.
You obviously believe that it's ok for people who want the whole package in a GSD to end up with a dog that looks like a GSD but has the temperament of a Golden Retriever???. Sorry Dogshome9, I think that's wrong!!!.
My boy has high prey and defence drives especially for a show line and people are telling us that something was wrong with him, he was viscious, had a bad temperament etc etc with advice on how a GSD is supposed to be. What they were describing that a GSD should be like was a labrador/Golden Retriever which is nonesense.
by Mystere on 31 January 2009 - 18:01
by dogshome9 on 31 January 2009 - 22:01
Rexy,
Have you had your boy evaluated by a Schutzhund trainer to see if he really does have these drives that your talking about and then maybe you can channel them in the right direction? Have you done any Obedience training with him ?
Maybe he is just viscious !!!!!
Rexy, I don't know how long you have reading post here but if you look at what people here are saying they REALLY do have high drive schutzhund trained dogs but they are still sociable animals who are still family dogs, they will allow vets to treat them and don't attack strangers for no reason
What is his pedigree ?
Is that him in your avitar ? He is a handsome looking boy.
by Mystere on 31 January 2009 - 23:01
by CrysBuck25 on 31 January 2009 - 23:01
This is a response to Rexy's message posted 30 January 2009, 11:01:
Rexy, if your dog is so aggressive and uncontrollable that you have to muzzle him to go to the vets, keep him away from all moving creatures and vehicles, and otherwise isolate him so as to protect others from him, then i would say that he's a poor example of a German Shepherd Dog, and that he's poorly trained. No offense, (though it's likely you'll take it) but a German Shepherd should NEVER be vicious. Alert, aloof, ready for anything, perhaps. But to attack anything that moves is not necessarily a show of courage. It could also be aggression caused by fear, for that matter.
Do you have any idea how many dogs, of all breeds, are euthanized because of the aggression that you admire in your dog? How many people have been sued when their dog attacked a child or some other unsuspecting person? If police dogs (arguably the best working dogs in the world) attacked without cause or instruction, then I fear that police dogs would cease to exist. I'm sorry, but exhibiting such aggression as to be dangerous even to those with whom the dog interacts on a regular basis (yourself, even, since a bike crash could hurt you pretty badly), is to me just as psychotic as any other poorly bred or trained specimen. If your dog were to hurt a child or some other dog, would you admire that, or admit that your 'driven' dog needed some discipline and training? Would you come to that conclusion when the local authorities were to ban the GSD breed as a dangerous dog?
It can happen. There are places all over the USA, and the world, to some extent, where certain breeds are banned, and sadly enough some homeowner's insurance companies won't cover you if you own a dog that's on their list of dangerous breeds. The GSD is too magnificent a breed to have people classifying uncontrollable dangerous aggression, downright mean dogs, as having great drives. No dog is a great dog if he is uncontrollable and unpredictable.
To me, a good guardian dog is one who is intelligent enough to distinguish what constitutes a threat, alert enough to realize there is (and isn't) a threat, and courageous enough to do something about it, while remaining calm when the situation calls for it.
And he's a showline dog? Isn't attacking the judge a bad thing, no matter where in the world you are? I mean no offense, but could you see an aggressive dog trying to herd sheep? I don't think that attacking them is what the Shepherd was bred for, either.
All in all, Rexy, I think you need some professional help with your dog, before something untoward happens and he ends up dead because of it. Aggression, and attack drives, are only good if they are channeled into a job, such as Schutzhund or police work, and are not desirable in any other setting. And don't tell me the GSD isn't intended for any other setting, since we all know that the GSD is one of the most versatile breeds in the world.
Crys
by Rexy on 01 February 2009 - 07:02
Dogshome9, my boy's pedigree above.
We had him evaluated and trained by a police K9 trainer that we hired after the dog began to show aggressive attitudes towards strangers and wanted to chase anything that moved by 5 months of age. The trainer temperament tested and courage tested him initially claiming that he was of good base and instinct and would be accepted as a police K9 in a heartbeat (his words). He went on to say that only one in fifty show line GSD's will pass the required courage test???.
After 26 years of owning Golden Retrievers, we still have a 6 year old Golden who is our GSD's best friend, but our GSD with us is the most loving and affectionate dog we have owned with absolutely no aggression with us or our Golden, in fact our Golden being the mature boy in dog terms is the boss. The GSD is not food aggressive as common with Retrievers, you can do anything with him, as a family pet he is a delightful animal.
Untrained, my boy's protective instinct for us and his surroundings is high and could have been an issue let go. After intense training over 6 months, I can now at 22 months of age walk him off the leash with voice control, not that I would trust him 100% around strange people to make a habit of unleashed walks, but he does as he is told. At the vet the first time we took him at 14 months of age, as the vet opened the door and approached myself and the dog sitting in his room, the dog sprang up lunged and barked at him, hence a "muzzle" was recored on his card. We learned that the dog was protecting me, a strange fellow (vet) swings a door open proceeding towards us in a small room the dog fended him off. The police K9 trainer taught us how to correct that behavior and keep him calm, however I can make him lunge and bark if necessary in a similar instance.
What I am getting at here Dogshome9, is that a GSD instinctively acting the perfect friendly gentleman untrained is not a normal temperament for a GSD. The police K9 trainer told us that in a good dog, "you train the fire out of the dog to behave as required, but you can't ignite fire into a dog with training that has no instinctive flame", make sense???.
by badgsd on 01 February 2009 - 08:02
THIS ARGUMENT IS GETTING BORING.
2 DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE
2 DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOGS
IF WK LINE PEOPLE FEEL THAT THERE SHOULD BE A GREATER DEGREE OF WORKABILITY WITHIN THE SHOWLINES AND THAT IF THEY DO NOT MEET THIS STANDARD THEN THEY SHOULD NOT GAIN TITLES...?
THAT HAS TO WORK BOTH WAYS..... IE : THERE WILL BE AN AWFUL LOT OF WORKINGLINES FAIL BECAUSE OF CONFORMATION , COLOUR, AND LOOKS.
CAUSE LETS FACE IT THEY UUGGLEE.....!
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