MANUS V TIEKERHOOK PUPS FATHER DAUGHTER MATING ?. - Page 7

Actually Brady - I think it's far less common to cull at birth than at a later age,  I know of a breeder who had a large litter and all the pups seemed to be doing well but one.  She did everything for that pup - bottle fed, tube fed - and the pup remained alive but did not thrive...took her into the vet and it wasnt MegaE - but in the end the pup kept on fading, and at around 6 weeks she put the pup to sleep.

Sometimes digestive and temperment and other health problems dont make themselves clear until the pup has to actually get up...open their eyes, or do something.

~Cate

Funky Monkey: 

I don't think ANYONE culls for "NO GOOD REASON,"  that too me is just silly.  I don't think the owner of this Manus litter just woke up and said, ............Hmmmm, I think I will just einy, meiny, miney, mo........I think your a gonner today!  I am also certain that this culling was done humanely.  I had a lenghty phone conversation with the breeder of this litter and I don't believe he would just go off half cocked and kill puppies for the sake of killing them.

I have no issue with culling at a later age also.  I have culled at the age of 9 months due to agression towards the handler and unwarrented agression towards people in general type of issue.  This issue was more like "rage" syndrome and it was a Brittany Spaniel.

And many of us are assuming culling means to kill or extinguish the animal.  Can culling possibly have another meaning? 

Vickie

www.PowerHausKennels.com

another sicko suincc.somehow think you won't need a patent on the recipe,so many veggies about today!do not really need to be told what country your in i've already guessed.brady bee scream all you like they are all bumping there gums about culling puppies but they obviously can't read.i' ts these particular puppies,as they do not seem to have been any good reason for it.and yes i have had to have puppies put to sleep with deformaties and it was not a good feeling. funky munky

why have all the comments been removed from manus page????

Vickie,

To me culling means put to sleep.

My definitions are:

1) You "sell" a dog

2) You "place" a dog in a home (this means free or minimal cost)

3) You "hold back" for your self, your breeding program, or to sell later as a green dog

4) You cull.

I haven't been around as much lately, nice to see you

GARD,

I agree.  Culling to me also means to kill.  However, I thought I would ask as some folks have their own deffinitions.

Great to see you too!  I have been a little busy myself and have not visited the Database regularly in a while either.

Vickie

www.PowerHausKennels.com

I retract the comment about him being unmatched although not completley. Since the days of Pasco Peko haus and Xamm - there has bin nothing STRONG enough to be called a stud dog and interestingly the best home bred producers were out of the Pasco lines.

There are however a few new dogsin the UK I have not seen or tested them - they can not be rated as studs yet though as they have not had sufficient breedings to assess their worth as producers.

In this day of advanced training and positive techniques it is very hard to judge a dogs worth a producer by titles.

Manus does have a sch1 - he is in training for sch2 and 3 but I do not train the way most do nowadays - I still use my training for a dogs abilty to cope with fair amounts of stress and pressure from both handler ie correction and control and the helper - protection is no game - I expect to see the grip remain full and calm under all situations and the dog to retain good attitude on the track and bounce and speed in obedience. The dog must work from the gut regardless of whats going on around him.

Although my statement was based on personal opinion - I do challenge anyone to prove me wrong with statistical proof.

Not for ego but for genuine forward movement in breeding - I need to use an outside dog - how great if he could be a better producer than Manus.

Asfor the culling - I did it because I did not breed these pups to sell as I did'nt think it fair to let someone else carry the risk of the inbreeding going wrong - how do i know i didnt cull the wrong ones? - I dont!!!!! Its my risk - am I playing God? - maybe!!!! Did God or the humanitarians make the hundreds of breeds we have? A few of the above posts lack stomach - I'm open to debate and constructive critiscm - but im not one to run with the flock. I'd much rather be remembered as an evil genius than a good samaritan - lol.

No seriously - I think its healthy that people think I have done wrong - It creates a little healthy balance in society.

This is asinine. I applaud a breeder who even puts that much thought into what he's breeding. God forbid someone produce an animal who can work (and I mean really work-not just be able to be titled) and says to hell with popular opinion. If more people culled in a knowledgeable way, we wouldn't have so many weak-ass GSDs. Soft, weak- temperamented breeders breed soft, weak -temperamented dogs for ridiculous reasons like having good hips or pigment or correct angulation, etc.  I would sooner breed a GREAT dog with bad hips than a piece of shit with great hips. Sujay has thought about this and is willing to accept responsibility for the animals he creates (which is more than I can say for the softies who would rather produce temperamentally weak dogs as a rule than ever run the risk of having to cull.)

The argument of being "untitled" (Egads! LOL) is just as weak as breeding crap dogs just because they happen to have bad hips. Titles mean very little, and the way the sport is going, I'd rather have an animal with real aggression who may not do as well on the field because of it than some nutjob prey monster who wouldn't know a real threat if it bit him in the ass.

There are much more important things to bash people for, lol.

Sujay,

You owe no explanations to anyone here!  I think you have the kahonies to be a top breeder of German Shepherds!  Koos doesn't tell anyone what he keeps and what he culls, he gives no one any explanations to what he does and you owe no one that either!

Keep up the great work!  I will be excited to watch your progress, heck, maybe I will get to be a part of it some day!

Vickie

www.PowerHausKennels.com

Jenni78,

Way to go girl!  You said it all!

Vickie

www.PowerHausKennels.com