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by Red Sable on 20 February 2009 - 23:02
Many of the dogs that look so deformed when stacked look quite normal when standing naturally.
I guess it also depends what you call normal.
july9000, do you have a pic of either of those two dogs standing in their natural stance?
I guess it also depends what you call normal.
july9000, do you have a pic of either of those two dogs standing in their natural stance?
by missbeeb on 20 February 2009 - 23:02
We stack our dogs in the UK... we don't call it stacking tho'. It's just standing your dog.
by Red Sable on 20 February 2009 - 23:02
"P.S. You can see also this type of difference in horses... The Riding horse and the Pacer... has very different type of backs...and I understand that there are RACE HORSE breeders also in this board???"
Marci, (if you still frequent this board) I have an Arab and a pacer (standardbred) and my work is with race horses, but I'm curious as to what you mean by having different backs?
Marci, (if you still frequent this board) I have an Arab and a pacer (standardbred) and my work is with race horses, but I'm curious as to what you mean by having different backs?
by Bucko on 20 February 2009 - 23:02
I don't mind the stacking so much as the angulation that is so extreme that adolescents "wobble" and even the back ends of adults sway when standing.
by Trafalgar on 22 February 2009 - 20:02
Julie
Sorry that multiple people were rude to you.
I think your question was interesting as well as totally legimate.
To the vast number of people in the world GSD show dog pictures DO IN FACT LOOK EXTREME.
Only those interested in this weird dog world as a hobby would even consider arguing THAT point.
I think your question can be examined by breaking it down into multiple parts.
1) Assuming that many stacks are "extreme" then the question becomes : Why do many people prefer it that way? I believe the human being is drawn to extremes naturally and only sophisticated people fight their own urges to admire extremes. Many people CLAIM they like the middle ground - but if they honestly examine their preferences, they'd notice they prefer extremes. Taming one's own natural impulses is difficult but honorable in this regard.
The changing average type of the vast number of pure breeds in the last century attest to this fact of human preference for extreme type.
2) Are the stacks extreme or are the dogs being stacked extreme? This is an important question. Certainly, manipulating the position of a dogs feet/legs can exaggerate or mitigate certain elements of body conformation. Personally, I think evaluations of dogs based on still photos aren't accurate and people should discipline themselves to avoid reaching conclusions based on such scanty input.
3) When you say "extreme" which version are you talking about? The West German Highline with it's "hyena" end or the American Show dog with it's Dachshund like body stretched out as if their front legs hit the moving sidewalk at the airport - while their rear legs stayed behind?
Both these stacks tend to obscure as well as reveal something about the dogs. Of course, being still photos - they don't reveal much.
Sorry that multiple people were rude to you.
I think your question was interesting as well as totally legimate.
To the vast number of people in the world GSD show dog pictures DO IN FACT LOOK EXTREME.
Only those interested in this weird dog world as a hobby would even consider arguing THAT point.
I think your question can be examined by breaking it down into multiple parts.
1) Assuming that many stacks are "extreme" then the question becomes : Why do many people prefer it that way? I believe the human being is drawn to extremes naturally and only sophisticated people fight their own urges to admire extremes. Many people CLAIM they like the middle ground - but if they honestly examine their preferences, they'd notice they prefer extremes. Taming one's own natural impulses is difficult but honorable in this regard.
The changing average type of the vast number of pure breeds in the last century attest to this fact of human preference for extreme type.
2) Are the stacks extreme or are the dogs being stacked extreme? This is an important question. Certainly, manipulating the position of a dogs feet/legs can exaggerate or mitigate certain elements of body conformation. Personally, I think evaluations of dogs based on still photos aren't accurate and people should discipline themselves to avoid reaching conclusions based on such scanty input.
3) When you say "extreme" which version are you talking about? The West German Highline with it's "hyena" end or the American Show dog with it's Dachshund like body stretched out as if their front legs hit the moving sidewalk at the airport - while their rear legs stayed behind?
Both these stacks tend to obscure as well as reveal something about the dogs. Of course, being still photos - they don't reveal much.
by Xeph on 22 February 2009 - 23:02
Part of it Julie (Good to see you by the way xD) is what ring you're showing in.
In the all breed ring, I have a MUCH better chance with my dog if he's stacked like this:
But in a specialty, the judge's eye will be (for some strange reason) drawn to this:
And as you can see, I can make my dog more extreme or more balanced depending on how I place his feet. His angles don't change, but the appearance of those angles do.
Here's my German dog looking nice and moderate:
And here he is in an extreme stack that makes him look like an idiot but some judges enjoy:
In the all breed ring, I have a MUCH better chance with my dog if he's stacked like this:
But in a specialty, the judge's eye will be (for some strange reason) drawn to this:
And as you can see, I can make my dog more extreme or more balanced depending on how I place his feet. His angles don't change, but the appearance of those angles do.
Here's my German dog looking nice and moderate:
And here he is in an extreme stack that makes him look like an idiot but some judges enjoy:
by JRANSOM on 22 February 2009 - 23:02
Here is a pic I took recently just out playing with her. She's from working lines.
I'd appreciate a critique on her from anyone. Obviously t free stack but I'd like to know
what your opinions are on all the things that are looked for. She's really a small girl. 23.5 in. tall, 55 lbs. Just turned 1yr. Thanks.
Jen
I'd appreciate a critique on her from anyone. Obviously t free stack but I'd like to know
what your opinions are on all the things that are looked for. She's really a small girl. 23.5 in. tall, 55 lbs. Just turned 1yr. Thanks.
Jen
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