Are Contracts for selling pups useless? - Page 7

Yellowrose,  I have thought about this for a couple of days, 

To your original question,  Are contracts for selling pups useless ??  The only answer I can come up with that is definate is this...

A contract is ONLY as useless as YOU allow it to be,  Meaning if you allow someone to breach a contract and do not hold them responsible for it,  ie. take them to court over it,  Then YOU have made your contract useless.  that however is my perception and it is not in any way being presented to hurt anyones feelers, or attack anyone on this post !!

I have when people come here,  sat them down at our table and told them looking them strait in the eye,  if YOU breach my contract and get rid of, sell, or give away,  THIS dog,  I will SUE you,  I will WIN, and I will use that judgement as a refference that I am a person of my word and to prove that I do take MY responsibility as a breeder very Seriously...  That being said I beleive that every person who has sat at my table signing my contract understands me perfectly regarding the written contract.  (unlike here on this board at times.)

So bottom line is that it is my feeling...  IF YOU ALLOW your contract to be useless then it is !!  

My feeling also is if you think you need to take this guy to SCC or otherwise then DO IT,  DO NOT let someone on this board convince you that your dumb, stupid, moron or otherwise !!     

Your Friend,  Mitch   :-)

You are right and I am doing just that.......thanks to Jen Jen  I now know part of what happened....and you saw my contract   I emailed it to you...and its as legal as the trees in my acreage and I verbally make it known at my table with two rear ends sitting there of theres, and one of mine, and cant get much plainer.

Also,by AkC rules, also, the person selling a dog registered by them, has to keep a record of where that dog is sold, who to, on what day it was transfered , for how much, and certification ,or app or dead or alive....so if this pup gets sold to anyone else but back to me, AKC will provide me with the records as to where this dog went...and if dog goes without papers, then Katty bar the Door, Richard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm getting on to this thread late and maybe my posting is useless but I have experience with small claims court in Ohio.  It cost $60.00 to file.  Then, when and if you win, you may have to hire a lawyer to collect.  Small claims court only gives you a judgement and does not collect the money, nor issue a penalty to the loser if they do not do as small claims court states they should do, to comply with any judgement.

I do have to say that if I buy a dog from anyone, I would not sign a contract that has things I can not do with MY dog.  If I buy it, it is my dog.  I will change the name if I want.  I will sell it later if I want.  I will put it to "sleep" if I want.  Of course I would only do this as a last resort when the dog is suffering and can not be saved, however, I'll be damn if I will ask someone else if I can have it put down.  It is MY dog.  If someone does not want it to be MY dog, then do not sell it to me.  I am sure that some reading this will put my name on their "list" of buyers to avoid, which is fine.  I have no problem with that and I respect that.  If I was selling dogs, I would also be selective who got one of my "babies".

If I bought a parakeet, can the seller put in writing that I can not let it fly around the house because of the inherent dangers present in a house?  If I buy a turtle, can the seller tell me that at some point in the future I can not let it go in a nearby lake or pond?  No one reading this has to worry about selling me a dog, that has a contract of things I can not do or must do, with MY dog.  When buying a dog, I may I require a written guarantee covering certain things (for what it's worth), but just as I will not buy a car that I am not allowed to modify.  I will not buy a turtle that I can not set "free", and I will not buy a dog that I can not name as I choose, breed it as I choose, train or not train as I choose, and certainly I will not buy a dog that I can not sell if I choose.

Having said all of that, be advised that all of my dogs are my babies and are well taken care of, medically, nutritionally and with a lot of attention.  Anyone I may purchase a dog from in the future is welcome to visit my home and see for their self how their "former" dog or pup is doing.  If there is something they do not like and it is illegal, then they can contact the authorities, otherwise, give me advice but no demands.  It is MY dog.

I have seen about 50/50 with contracts. I have had people ignore the terms of my contracts, which were fairly simple. Basically, I asked for first dibs if the dog was to be sold.

I do agree with the previous poster, as if I am paying good money for a dog, then it is my dog, my choices. I found that it worked pretty good for me if I took down the names of people that asked about a dog/bitch in regards to breeding, and then contacting these people IF and when I decided to breed, to see if there were enough homes for the litters. Obviously there still can be problems, but I had less than others that I knew that just bred dogs.

I am not saying do not breed by any means, just what worked for me.

I do wish you luck, as from what you are saying this guy is sounding more like a broker.........although I really don't see why he was only asking 100 over the original price??? Kinda dumb. : )

Do right, I agree 100%.  If you buy something it  should be yours to do with as you please.  If you are selling a dog and want it neutered, then have it neutered before you sell it.  If you want your kennel name on it then register it.  Face it, once that pup leaves your kennel you have no more control over it and just have to hope for the best.  Sure, knowing your buyer will help, but just like with the pups themselves, there are no absolute guarantees.

That all well and good if your just selling pups...Ive spent 18 years putting together the right combination and I know what people do with a beautiful german shepherd.  I have checked out all the kennels with reputations that are of high quality and they put their name on their registrations , print it in on the table in front of buyer, discuss it with them , like I did this person,,,he knows there ate 200 dogs inAkc registered with Trip'H the first name on the paper...I have in all these year never had anyone remove that from thepaperwork...They respect that they have on of my pups, and are proud and do you think, for one moment I want my good, hard work to produce good  health, good looks and a working , intelligent dog and let someone go breed it to back yard junk and some sees the dog at the vets every week and says   Oh my, you dont want one of those Tripl'H dogs they are half american , and sick all the time, or they have this or they have that....Shes a bad breeder....No way hosea....Ill quite breeding before I let that happen....Do you think for a minute  Tracy Bullinger,or Jane Steffenhagen or any of th breeders in this country or anywhere want their name taken lightly,,I am not a big named breeder in the stars and banner of the Schutzhund world nor the AKC Show ring   but I care about my reputation and just lose control of what is done with your males and females out their that carry your name   and the bad rap begins....I will from this day forth  register all dogs myself and name them.  And I think that is very unnecessary when all it takes is the honesty of a person to say no I dont want one of your dogs because I want to name my own or I want to do what I want and breed how I want...Then dont buy one of my pups, and its awful funny I never have a pup left nor do I have enough pups for all my lists of many waiting....I have many people that have three of my shepherds and  a lot who have two and some have four....Every one of these people were happy to put Tripl'H in front of the name of their dog.... but dont sign a contract , lie to my face, when I tell you straight forward in plain english,,,you cannot sell this pup without signed written consent ,,,I want to know where the dog is and goes....I want to be able to take it back myself to insure it goes to a good home ,  If you read the letter on the About Us page of my web you will get themessage loud and clear   Im not about Money   I am the shepherds Ganny......this man  also has other people looking for him and he did the same thing to them. Untruths and a lot worse. One couple is reading this as I write and ready to take action. The other  one is a well know working dog breeder and her dog won Nationals again and again and she got the same done to her or worse....so its not about me tell everyone what to do . AKC stands for nothing and does nothing about false breedings and false papers and lies....I know.....Im the one that prosecuted theman that stole 4 of my pups from two deputies that they were training and sold them , changed their names, their parents and used other papers to sell them and lied all the way to the bank ,,,told 4 people he imported them from Germany, and even charged the 4 people for crates to go to the airport to pic the dog..up....awful funny it came out of my kennel and out of the care of two sheriff deputies...and it took us 6 months to find all of them....

I fill out the AKC reg. slips, with my chosen name for the pup. I also have that the pup will be named/registered as  "such-and-such" in two places on my contract.  Now that we can do the puppy reg. online with a discount, I will  do that before the pups go home.  No room for error. Nice to see the AKC doing some good things these days. I always wondered where the money went...

I have won cases in small claims court in CA. No one can have an attorney in SCC there. Bring LOTS of supporting documentation, experts to testify, examples of  "normal operating procedure" for yourself and your peers, the more the better. don't know how difficlt it is to get a restraining order in your area, but its worth a try.

The time for playing "nice" is over. this guy looks like a real shady character to me, a martial arts expert, and likely a puppy-mill. Don't meet him alone anywhere! Constables  and/or police officer "civil stand-by's" can be worth their weight in gold, the latter often "no-charge." I use them for throwing unwelcome guests and used husbands out of my house and off my property every ten years or so. Police stations and courthouse steps are fairly good places for meeting shady people. Lots of witnesses, many armed.

Sorry you and your puppy have to go through this crap.

SS

i HAVE TO AGREE WITH DO RIGHT AND PSP ABOUT CUTTING THE STRINGS.  iF YOU SELL A DOG, IT IS THEIRS.  OTHERWISE DO CO-OWNERSHIP.  IF YOU ARE THAT CONCERNED, DO LIKE PSP SAID AND FIX & REGISTER THEM BEFORE YOU SELL THEM.

I can understand why people squirm at some contract policies but I really can't fathom the name issue. I thought it was common knowledge that breeders put their name on their animals. Or incorporated both parents names, like horse breeders often do. One of my stud horses names was Ima Kandy Kat, did I call him that? Uh no! We called him Jake. I didn't even like the name Jake but he was 6 when I bought him and I thought he was attached to it by then. I got used to it and later on it developed to Jakester. How many people even care what their dogs papered name is? Respect the breeder by leaving their mark on the dog in some way and call it what you like.

Its funny that every dog I have bought from the top people in this country have their kennel name or their notable name on the dog or pup I bought and every pup they have ever sold...You wont buy a SteffenHaus dog without a contract and that name on it....nor will you buy a Tiekerhook , Bullinger, Mittelwest, FlussTal, and if you sign a contract with a person, by golly that  contract is legal....hey guys, the gest of this thread is not if YOU  want to buy my pups without a contract ...this man bought one with a contract and it was told to him verbally, I dont sell pups to people to go out and thirteen days later put it for sale, to make mega bucks, etc, and white out my name , that is stated in contract will remain on registration papers filled out on my premises, and honoring my hard work not yours....if you lie to me and go behind my back or anyones back you enter into a written , binding contract with, you will be talking to a Judge in a court of Law....If you dont want to buy under a contract then state that , turn and go somewhere else......this person lied to my face, and his preacher listening, and did same, and you wouldnt let your daughter who you raised come home with the town drunk,,,,would you and marry him...You would do anything in your power to protect the standards and integrity of the breed....or your daughter.....He has done this to others and buys and sells pups like Popcorn at a ball game...I do not believe in that kind of business.  So some of you believe just sell a german shepherd pup to any person and find out they just go sell to anyone and wipe your name off and put theirs on pedigree and then make up a pedigree with your name and theirs that doesnt exist and you says its okay   kool it Yellow and suck it up and accept it lll No way on the face of Gods Green Earth will I accept it....If he wanted to do with the pup what he wnated to and take my name off the beginning of registration, then He and everyone else can go to Canton Texas and buy you a german Shepherd from a puppy mill and spend the first two months at the vet , then try and find out where the dog really came from.....I dont spend thousand of dollars a year to dna, ofa feed and nurture these bloodlines I purchased from very fine reputable breeders and dishonor them by selling their offsprings to people that just take a dog home and put it up for sale next month and advertise him as high drive, good bloodlines and good stud......I dont sell for resell no breeding.....disgusting....I do not sell to breeders or agents or puppy mills nor do I accept being LIED  TO