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by windwalker18 on 23 April 2013 - 21:04
I'd put them in the same class as I do flexi leads... There's better choices. The gal I taught Obedience with had a very very headstrong yellow lab. I'm talking Freddy Kruger on Steroids... She switched to the Halti, for a week, and worked her with it. While the dog did submit (as in crawl on the ground) it was clear that she was terrified of the halter. My friend abandoned the Halti after that. Some good outcome, the dog later went on to do quite well as a Dock Diving dog...
by Sunsilver on 23 April 2013 - 22:04
Arrrgh! DON'T get me started on flexi leads!! 
We're in total agreement on THAT subject!
We're in total agreement on THAT subject!by hexe on 24 April 2013 - 00:04
1. Flexi-leads are nothing more than a visable warning that the human at the handle end of the device takes no responsibility for the dog at the snap end. I have been known to get back in my car and drive away upon seeing someone heading toward me with a dog on a Flexi-lead, just to avoid the hassle of dealing with them [the person more so than the dog].
2. Sadly, it's not unusual for vets to have a blanket policy that all GSDs & Rotts be muzzled when presented for examination--generally speaking, most of 'em have been nailed or nearly-nailed by dogs of those breeds [to a statistically greater degree than most other breeds, in part of course due to the sheer popularity of those breeds] because of owners who fail to properly acclimate the dogs to being handled for examination. Typically, the owners also mistake their dog's inappropriate display of aggression in such circumstances as the dog being 'protective' of the owner, when in fact most of them are just fine when the owner is out of sight, just as dragonfry's experience with the white GSD illustrates. It's easy to giggle or bitch about vets being fearful of getting bitten, and to complain about 'breed profiling' but the fact remains that a vet that's examining a dog is paying attention to what they're hearing and how the various parts of the dog feel under their hands, and that puts two of their 'moneymakers'--their hands--AND their face perilously close to the sharp end of a very fast critter. I'd scoff at them if they DIDN'T take steps to protect themselves.
2. Sadly, it's not unusual for vets to have a blanket policy that all GSDs & Rotts be muzzled when presented for examination--generally speaking, most of 'em have been nailed or nearly-nailed by dogs of those breeds [to a statistically greater degree than most other breeds, in part of course due to the sheer popularity of those breeds] because of owners who fail to properly acclimate the dogs to being handled for examination. Typically, the owners also mistake their dog's inappropriate display of aggression in such circumstances as the dog being 'protective' of the owner, when in fact most of them are just fine when the owner is out of sight, just as dragonfry's experience with the white GSD illustrates. It's easy to giggle or bitch about vets being fearful of getting bitten, and to complain about 'breed profiling' but the fact remains that a vet that's examining a dog is paying attention to what they're hearing and how the various parts of the dog feel under their hands, and that puts two of their 'moneymakers'--their hands--AND their face perilously close to the sharp end of a very fast critter. I'd scoff at them if they DIDN'T take steps to protect themselves.
by Jeffs on 09 May 2013 - 19:05
Speaking of Vets, muzzles, and aggression.
I have a fox terrier. He can be dog aggressive (surprise), but usually when a dog comes at him. He doesn't go to them, but will snap if they come at him. So I'm in the Vet's waiting room - small vet, doors of treatment rooms open up to the waiting area. My dog is in a down in front of me. A door to a treatment room opens and a Golden comes bounding out, making a bee line for my dog. The golden is there before I know it, and my dog snarls and snaps, but doesn't make contact.
We get called into the treatment room and I put my dog on the table. The Vet walks in accompanied by a big vet tech. Apparently they heard my dog react to the golden. The Vet Tech basically puts my dog in a head lock so that it's can't attack the Vet. I'm thinking 3 things - 1) it's unnecessary, 2) the Vet Tech is stressing my dog, increasing the chances that he will become aggressive, and 3) if my dog does become aggressive, the Vet Tech has exposed his face to my dog's face, greatly increasing the chances that if my dog blows, he will bite the vet tech's face. And although they are small, Fox Terriers have very long canines - much bigger than other dogs their size.
Needless to say, I never went back to that vet.
I have a fox terrier. He can be dog aggressive (surprise), but usually when a dog comes at him. He doesn't go to them, but will snap if they come at him. So I'm in the Vet's waiting room - small vet, doors of treatment rooms open up to the waiting area. My dog is in a down in front of me. A door to a treatment room opens and a Golden comes bounding out, making a bee line for my dog. The golden is there before I know it, and my dog snarls and snaps, but doesn't make contact.
We get called into the treatment room and I put my dog on the table. The Vet walks in accompanied by a big vet tech. Apparently they heard my dog react to the golden. The Vet Tech basically puts my dog in a head lock so that it's can't attack the Vet. I'm thinking 3 things - 1) it's unnecessary, 2) the Vet Tech is stressing my dog, increasing the chances that he will become aggressive, and 3) if my dog does become aggressive, the Vet Tech has exposed his face to my dog's face, greatly increasing the chances that if my dog blows, he will bite the vet tech's face. And although they are small, Fox Terriers have very long canines - much bigger than other dogs their size.
Needless to say, I never went back to that vet.
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