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Liesjers

by Liesjers on 12 March 2010 - 17:03

noddi, I was responding to this thread, not your post.  I'm not sure what you mean about details not being disclosed.  The parents of my oldest dog are now both deceased and I know how and when they died (one was 12 the other was 15, the 15 year old bitch just went to sleep and never woke up).  I don't purchase dogs from people who will not disclose information to me.

Was Zamp bred recently?  A friend of mine said to me a few months back "I am worried about Zamp, I haven't seen any registered breedings lately...." 

Health problems can be very complex and many times you don't have all the answers immediately, or even after death.  I had a cat that kept falling sick, but with pretty normal infections like an eye infection, a UTI....a few months of this and the vet finally discovered - too late - that the cat had FIP (which has symptoms that are identical to other more common, more treatable illnesses).  We did not discover the true problem with the cat until that day it was put to sleep.

I'm not saying there are not health problems or that we don't have a genetic bottleneck, but this is a far more complex issue than how it's being treated here.

by atc237 on 12 March 2010 - 22:03

 I guess if you voice an opinion opposite showline people you are considered a troll? Chill out silbersee, folks are always going to be looking for your kind of dog. I just would like it if they would be considered a different breed and let the unknowing public understand that they're very different from a working dog. Make sure you watch Ulko's object guard, it's awesome. I'm currently teaching my pup the foundation for the OG and am always looking for different training tips, how do you teach it?

 


 Here's a few examples of what i consider  good GSD's :
                                                                                                     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCMDWvIMxJA&feature=related  

                                                                                                     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY992WzzCqY&feature=related
                                                             
                                                                         Ulko is great      http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ghrk_championnat-ring-franche-comté-ulko       
                                                                                                     

                                 &nbs

by AineeNR1 on 13 March 2010 - 23:03

Its truly sad that Zamp died. I would like to know IF or what did kill him at only 8.

AND YES SEEKERS OF TRUTH, when will you all see what Jan demeyere is after! just to destroy the reputation of this breed, no matter what the line is.

He is not just bitter, this maniac, who loves graphs and stats so much he can't see the trees through the forest, he also destroyed the dog he socalled loved even though several of us years ago offered to take the dog from him!!! Simply to destroy the rep of the breeder of that dog, who is a well known breeder in Germany. We saw the Xrays of the hips here on the database as he posted them himself and they were NOT in need of putting the dog to sleep!!! ALL of us watching him in action were horrified when he wrote he'd put the dog down!

Cant believe Gerrit Nagel of http://duitseherders.nl  is in 'bed' with this crazy maniac.


by Jantie on 14 March 2010 - 16:03

Can't believe people are writing so much nonsense, but what the heck. They're not the ones we have to focus on and they are certainly entitled to their opinions. So let's not even go there.

We need to strive for a healthier GSD, THAT much is evident.

The world POUNDS the Facts in the faces of the GSD community, and yet some people are really blind.
Documentations like:
"Pedigree Dogs Exposed" in England: (reason why the Crufts event is not broadcasted by the BBC anymore!)
www.strimoo.com/video/12166264/Documentary-BBC-Pedigree-Dogs-Exposed-MySpaceVideos.html

"Pflegefall Schäferhund!?" in Germany:
www.youtube.com/watch
(if link doesn't work please copy/paste this one:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPc0X_0yrr8&feature=PlayList&p=47305669E52CDD01&index=0&playnext=1

and Research like the Inquiry of Patrick Bateson (an immediate result of "Pedigree Dogs Exposed"):
gsd-legends.eu/Varia/Independant-Inquiry-into-Dog-Breeding-Patrick-Bateson.pdf
don't seem to open their eyes.

In the Crufts thread on this board, people report about (GSD) incidents at the biggest canine show in the world. (Please have a look there.)

Now Videx/David Payne (he himself a breeder, apparently with the tightest of connections to the centre of the GSD Show Business - mind the capital letters), is (again) bullying people around saying: "It is now certainly the time for all of us to "take the gloves off",
but I daresay, it's time to take of your blindfolds!
(Who is "all of us" by the way? Please define. Cetainly not "all of us" here on the board, where many people seem to be perfectly aware of the fact that the SV and its outlets are moving in the wrong direction!)

If the world is telling you that people don't think this is still a healthy dog, then why shoot the pianists?

Do return to your pedigrees and look at what you have been doing for 40 years now.
Maybe you will find some clues. Please feel free to reflect about my studies and ask yourselves: "Is he totally out of his mind, or does he have a point there?" At least the smaller breeders I have been talking to, confirm my findings and regret what has become of the GSD. There's work to be done. And it's NOT the world that needs to be tackled, it's an INSIDE job. The SV needs to change its breeding regulations and we need to breed a healthier dog. Nothing more, nothing less.

(Please feel free to read the many devastating stories on the bad health of the GSD on this very board.)

Kind regards,
Jantie Demeyere
www.gsd-legends.eu

by Jantie on 15 March 2010 - 05:03

 Testing graphs:

EuroShepherd

by EuroShepherd on 15 March 2010 - 18:03

Personally I believe environment and diet plays just as much of if not more a role in a dog's death than genetics. 
My first GSD passed away quietly in her sleep at age 14, all my other dogs are still alive and well, with no health problems whatsoever. 

Environment, diet, viruses and bacteria can all affect and alter DNA.  Consider not only the increased pollutions in the air and water, but also what is in the food too.  Besides Genetically Modified foods, there are the pesticides and herbicides sprayed on the crops that go into the dog foods and into the livestock that is slaughtered for dog food.  Also the hormones, antibiotics, steriods, vaccines and pesticides pumped into/onto the livestock before slaughter and whatever other drugs and chemicals that find their way into our dogs from the water and the way that the food is processed into kibble and canned foods.    There are many changes to genes and poly-genes every generation, I'm sure more than our scientists can ever record.  
After a couple hundred years of the developement of modern science and medicine we continue to find out how much more we really just don't know, that coupled with the growing challenges faced by breeders because of environment and the food market I think it would be highly unfair to blaim breeders who are involved in linebreeding, unless they are individuals who intentionally breed animals they know for a fact to possess a debilitating genetic disease. 
I've known many, many mutts who have the same genetic health problems as seen in purebreds and some who have died young from genetic conditions.  If inbreeding and linebreeding were the cause of genetic diseases in dogs then mutts would never have them too. 






 


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