BH........is it a "Title"

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by wlpool on 26 February 2010 - 15:02

Okay, just got back from you guessed it training.
Here are my pieces of crap......

My male:

My Female:

The CRAP I PRODUCE:

7 months old bitch.

11 months old bitch.

Where are your dogs?

W

by Jenni78 on 26 February 2010 - 15:02

Kelly, I agree mostly with your point, but your first paragraph is a bit broad, IMO. A dog is not necessarily "SchH quality" or "pet quality." There are MANY things a dog can do to prove correct working temperament. I, personally, would not hesitate (and might even do it fairly soon) to breed to a certain dog I know who is an employed, working, PSD. On the database, the Master of All Authority, LOL, he looks like an untitled "pet" if you are only going by the letters and numbers stated after his name. In my eyes, he embodies what a GSD was intended to be. He proves day in and day out that he has all the proper qualities (and no, I am NOT saying all PSDs have this, or that the mere title PSD means a dog is breedworthy) and in my opinion, is the kind of dog we need to perpetuate.

Should his handler tell the dept. "hang on- we're taking a break from working the street to pursue our SchH titles so the people on the database will be happy and his pups can be sold as SchH quality instead of pet quality." LOL. It sounds funny, but that's essentially what you're (and I mean 'you' generally, I'm just jumping off of your particular paragraph this time- not picking on you personally) saying when you say a dog is SchH quality or pet quality- they're not necessarily one or the other, and a dog can be SchH quality without being SchH titled. JMHO.

When only SchH dogs impress me, then I'll breed to only SchH dogs. We need to recognize that in MANY eyes, SchH is not the ultimate test, and this is a reflection of beliefs of the owner, and not a reflection of the dog. There are many disciplines that I believe are a much better test of a well-balanced, properly temperamented GSD, and I don't think they all should be dismissed so quickly.

I think a dog should have MORE than just a SchH title, personally, for me to consider breeding to them. I would like to see certain things in their temperament that their titles won't tell me before I'd breed my bitch to them.

And no, a BH isn't a title as much as it is a pre-req to a title. ;-)

by GSDSRULE on 26 February 2010 - 18:02

My dog is in my avatar. She is really good at finding her ball in the snow. She likes to ride in the truck too.

by wlpool on 26 February 2010 - 18:02

LOVE the AVATAR!

I will try to get the pictures up of todays training in another thread.

by jc.carroll on 26 February 2010 - 19:02

Insofar as wpool; taken from her ads:

1) She is wonderful with our two small children and can be trusted alone with them...
2) He is easy going with children and even lets my small girls ride him and pull on his ears...

I love my dogs, but what sort of parent would leave small children alone with any dog, or allow their kids to ride a dog and pull on its ears? I try not to diss, but I've never been impressed by this person, their dogs, or the way they handle things. I'm not impressed. Poor dog.

Now getting back on topic: It's been an interesting read for me because I'd always thought a BH was a title, albeit a minor one that didn't signify all that much. Kind of like a CGC title on a pet dog; nice to have, shows potential and that both dog and owner have worked together on obedience enough to pass a basic test in the subject. I like to see at least something, even on pet dogs, but I wouldn't consider a CGC or BH proof that an individual is worth breeding.

Same with the AD; except I personally place a bit more value on an AD because a structurally-poor dog can be capable of obedience, but a structurally-poor dog might not be able to make an endurance run. *shrugs* That's just my preference though, being a working-dog enthusiast I value traits like fitness and endurance, because almost any dog can be trained to obey, but not every dog is physically capable of endurance runs -- especially the over-angulated American-type GSDs.

by wlpool on 26 February 2010 - 19:02

I completely understand that some people here don't feel a dog should have to prove that they are good with kids if they have all of your titles. I WILL have the titles as I AM LEARNING how to get them (I have been hands on in Schutzhund for a whole 8 months now). My dogs MUST BE GOOD WITH KIDS. Without dogs our species will survive, won't be fun but we could do it. Without CHILDREN we are no more. GET YOUR PRIORITIES IN ORDER!
Val is great with Kids and you can go check out her training pictures from today if you want to tell me about the substandard dogs I have.
www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/367656.html

Give us a look see at your fantastic dogs. I don't claim to be the best. I claim to do the BEST THAT I CAN!

Added:
Like I always say, "you don't have to like my dogs, you don't have to buy my dogs. I love them and the people that buy from me love them. You are welcome to come down here and give me a little competition if you like." --W

by raymond on 26 February 2010 - 19:02

Sock it to em baby baby sock it to em baby baby SOCK IT TO EM BABY! KEEP POSTING THOSE WONDRFULL PICTURES !

by FHTracker on 26 February 2010 - 20:02

The male is well formed for a showline.

The stack on that female does not do her any favors. She looks roachbacked and it appears to have passed on to her progency if that 11month old is her puppy.

Again could just be the pictures aren't flattering.

by wlpool on 26 February 2010 - 20:02

Tracker,
Thanks for the feedback. Do you have a kennel? I would love to see your stock.

Again, thanks.

W

by FHTracker on 26 February 2010 - 20:02

No, I have no interest in breeding dogs, simply in working them as I have for years.

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