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by captain32 on 08 February 2010 - 03:02

i haveing trouble loading pics sorry got one off cell phone posted.

by Vixen on 08 February 2010 - 04:02

Good to hear that you are involving your dog in your home and with family.

Do remember that on a Forum when anyone should ask advice or opinions, they may not always hear what they would like and prefer, or expect and want.  Sometimes unfortunately the written word does not necessarily come across the way it is intended either.  However, responses and replies will be other people's experience, opinions and ideas.    Providing they are sent with good intent and respect, digest and consider the replies in relation to you and your situation personally.

We only have the information that a Poster provides and nothing more.  I personally have the interests of the dog and a desire to promote a good rapport between Owner and dog, so both enjoy the relationship as they need and should.

PS.  Did not realise until now that your dog is called Captain - that's different and smart. 


Regards,
Vixen


by captain32 on 08 February 2010 - 04:02

i understand what you are saying,thanks .

by Vixen on 08 February 2010 - 04:02

Have a good day. 


Vixen


yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 08 February 2010 - 05:02

Neat pic and that is one nice sable  gsd...Be careful in the house  do not let him tear up anything ...substitute dog tugs and rags for anything like shoes etc..do not let him do bad habits....my first gsd from Steinigtal..was a Grief granddaughter and I had to learn  how and when and why immediately....My trainer told me first off....do not let dog start bad habits...they are hard to break...it is better to train good and not have to go back and train a dog not to get  your tennis shoes..He told me it is YOUR or MY , fault if he chews up the shoes, electric chords..gets in the garbage..so do not let pup even do it...do not scold..take the pup away from the bad   .....make a distraction and give dog toys or tugs...remove the bad from area   do not let him start the bad habits to begin with.....just a note to what we already talked about....pups can wreck your home in one minute..if he starts...put in kennel with a cow hoof or knuckle bone, etc..no scold..make pup like his kennel or where ever he is put...He will know you are the alpha  or his master if you do things to make him the best..just use food and dog toys to get him away from bad or to get his attention....REMEMBER   FOCUS on you....

Have a great one....sorry , all of this is easy with the second gsd ...I had a very good mentor with my first one but I found it confusing and very hard....now it is a piece of cake  23  yrs later....lol  The joy comes in a year from now when you look back and see what you learned  and what the dog learned and how well they obey and work and are so dedicated to you...just keep him focused with movement and food...and bond and praise...all the rest comes as you see him wanting to please you...your girlfriend can learn from  you   later....she can bond and socialize but if she doesnt do the things the same as you do you will confuse the pup...so you need to get pup very much bonding and working for you first...just kiss the girlfriend and let her love her and feed her  but  you need to be alpha....



YR

by captain32 on 08 February 2010 - 22:02

thanks lots of tips that make good sense that i didnt know.the focus you talk about.how do i make him focus,dont know how?sorry honest not gonna lie,tips ???

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 08 February 2010 - 22:02

While bonding with him on floor   do not feed all day     call him to you  squat down to his level...take a tiny piece of meat,,hold in front of his face...lure him close to you  take meat hold to your nose...move it to his nose do not let him bite it,,hide it inside hand quickly..if he tries    command sitz       when he sitz give it to him   make him stay .....immediately show him another piece   have a belly bag or bag open and handy ...immed show another piece make him look at it and move up to YOUR NOSE>. keep him looking at you for as long as you can..when you see him about to break the sitz   give it to him before he gets up   ...if he gets up do not give it to him......just repeat the same until you co ordinate your response to beating him to the move.....keep doing this  longer and longer and longer and longer and longer....until you achieve him staring at the meat in your hand until you give it to him without him moving..you can make a deroggatory noise when he starts to get up after ,you have shown him he only gets it with sitz....repeat sitz until  he does ......but make the sessions longer and longer...do not train over   10 mins at a time....leave and go to play time outside...so not to bore and let him get distracted..Pups  have short term focus ability ...that will increase each month of his training..it is up to you to do this for weeks till he learns to watch    you can then tell him    Capt  watch    show it to his nose back to yours...then try his favorite toy     ball or  whatever he is crazy about....not your shoe or your legs!!!!!!!!  lol


Focus is keeping his eyes on your eyes and your face  learning to look up to you  sitting ,standing or heeling or platzing...a very valuable must teach

the pups I breed do not need to be taught   focus....so I am having to guess this pup just is not use to being  LED into the focus..who knows...mine are so focused   I sometimes wonder if they see anything but my hand and the ball or anything else but what I have in hand or me.....That is how I imprint from 5 , 6 , 7 weeks old...My pups leave her focused on your hands and with that undescribable ability to look up and please you ...even with the exteme drives  you have to show a pup how to learn to stay  focused....  the stay focused is what I do...but some pups have to learn focus if not of high food, and ball or play drive.  they seem to think your legs, pants and feet are their focus ....but you change that into the face and eye and hand focus with a ball., food or toy...or tool..

YR


by beetree on 08 February 2010 - 22:02

YR, by "do not feed all day", I think you mean, don't leave the food out all day. You do want him to feed the pup more than once at this age, don't you? You just want the pup to be interested in food and not feeling fat and lazy... Yes or No? (I thought what you wrote might be taken different ways.)

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 08 February 2010 - 22:02

Beetree   :

No I meant just what I wrote .. when you train you do not feed your day all day long...! He is bonding with his pup..eat out of his hand...he is not gonna do this every day of the week anyway  , I doubt, even if he did for several weeks ,,,not gonna hurt a pup eating just what he gets out of the hand or off the ground...When we train tracking,,many of my trainer friends,,never feed a dog anything on that day of tracking but what they eat off the ground.....are they gonna die or be mistreated..This is working dog training...I don't know anything about pets or other kinds of training....This pup is by my evaluation one who need to not fed until he finds out his  MAN is his ALPHA  ..IF he misses a few meal...maybe he will pay attention and FOCUS on the one who he holds dear.....

When you train for FOCUS      DO NOT FEED DOG ALL DAY LONG  !

We are not training a pet...this is for FOCUS>.....USE FOOD DRIVE....that is the only drive the pup has right now....can't use prey or agression drive  can YOU?   NO  
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HUNGRY DOG OR PUP responds to the food....He isn't gonna die or drop over in malnutrition.....HOW  do you train FOCUS?

YR

33 years of experience in Dog focus.

by captain32 on 09 February 2010 - 03:02

man i like your ideas that make such good sense,thanks good point., will start tomarrow it raining out now ,is it common for gsd to lay out in the sprinkle he has a dog house hardle uses it .if its pooring he will but a little sprinke ,its like he loves it?please bare with my intelligence on all this.learning and sharing with my poor co workers that have to listen to me.lol





 


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