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A dog can do both but the challenge is to find the right dog that is stable enough to do both and can switch gears.  My trainer tells people that ask if they can do both- yes (if he feels the dog can really do both) BUT you really should decide which way you want to go with your dog and focus on mastering the training in one before you go to the other.  It makes it harder for him to train a dog to do both because his training methods are different if one wants a sport dog vs. a client that wants a PPD or police dog.  If someone has an interest to do both and he feels the dog is suitable he tells them to title the dog first THEN transition to PP.  It's a lot tougher for him to title a dog that has only been expossed to PP training.

For example a sport dog will take the bite and given the reward carry the sleeve.  A PP dog is trained to totally disregard the sleeve once it's shed and focus on the man not the equipment.  This would be a problem on a schutzhund field because this particular dog is not looking at it as a game, he's in it for the fight with the man.

It really all depends again on a. what your need or desire is, b. the realistic capability of your dog c. your time you have to invest and how much you are willing to invest to train for either one d. your accessibility to a good trainer for either one and lastly what you and your dog really enjoy.

Now if we're speaking on Dennis' original thread, he's speaking in terms of someone looking to buy an already trained dog and the cost variation for a titled dog vs. a fully trained PPD....that takes you into an entirely different area because now not only do you have to make sure the dog you're looking to drop thousands on is what you're being sold but also you have to make sure you don't get scammed and in fact GET the dog once you paid for it. 

Every dog is different and depending on it's own mental make up plus it's training (and/or agitation) will determine it's control ability. A bad trainer can ruin a good dog.

IMO it would appear to most that a PPD would be easier to train than a sport dog but to obtain a acceptable PPD you better know what you are doing in order to obtain the level of sharpness/defense/suspecion and judgement that is needed to have a dog you can trust to make good decisions.

Yvette,

The only problem I see is that no matter what certification you use you can always find a way to buy the certificate. You know the problem here is not that the dogs are not certified by a grand master organization, the problem is that the scammers have given the good people such a bad name. All I can say is this their are scammers in all the dog sports, and real certifications like patrol and Dual purpose and so on.

It is funny because I was just contacted by a family who purchased a schIII, V rated 4yr old as a PPD and they PAID$$$$$$, and the dog barely bites his own food, yet alon be considered a true PPD, and now they want me to make it into a PPD.

Now is this a bad PPD trainer that sold them the dog or a bad sch trainer who sold them the dog?

What this is called is GREED for the good old green backs, MONEY,MONEY,MONEY.  so please get to know the trainer and the product,  see the dog before yuo buy it either in person, on video. And if what you see is what you want and you feel good buy it.

Once again it is about honesty. Thanks Yvette. Dennis, Eisen Faust Kennels

What is your opinion on PSA?  Is that sport a valid measure of a PPD's character? (BTW, thanks for answering my questions in a rational fashion, as opposed to getting defensive.  Refreshing.)

Yvette,

I hope this answer makes sense after a 15 hr day at work, but here goes. The problem with using a venue like PSA or any other the dog knows where he is and what he is soppose to do. My dogs know when they are at training they hear the other dogs and like the old saying goes " The smell is in the air". I prefer to test my own dogs while out on a peaceful walk in the park and WHAM we are attacked. Or I am playing with my kids in the playroom and then the bad guy comes in the house. What I am saying is that a PPD needs to work when he is not expecting it. Yvette I hope you understand my answer for what it is worth. Thanks Dennis