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Senta,

I don't think anyone is saying that a some dogs can't be raised the way you say.  If you are lucky enough to have such an animal great for you but every dog (or child, for that matter)  is not like that.  In my opinion a good trainer (or parent) finds an appropriate method to convey what is acceptable and what isn't.  No more and no less.  On some level every dog (and child) have experienced a correction....I believe my mother called it consequence.  Maybe from an owner/parent, maybe from life.  I would much rather see an e-collar on a dog than a child in its grip or a car bumper in its side.

On a personal level I'd also sooner have someone tell me once and tell me straight than nag at me.  I apply the same to my dogs.

If anyone figures out the husband thing PLEASE let me know!!!!

If anyone figures out the husband thing PLEASE let me know!!!!

Mine is in time-out in the crate right now.  WITH his e-collar on.  He was bad and washed my phone today after I told him not to take my phone anywhere.  Busted!

spare the rod    spoil the child

goes for the dog too

discipline is spelled many different ways...no two humans or no two dogs require the same dealings., but the problem in our world today, is :

Everything we eat is instant, Dr,.s preach spanking is wrong, people say"Certain tools and actions to train your dog from crate training to e collars are mean" and we want an instant fix on our health and our marriages, and our economy and our lives,...instant puppie love is the new age thing.....treat every one with kindness and use a universal circle of quick fix.....

wont work...doesnt work and never will work

No PAIN NO GAIN      NOT AT ALL RELATED TO CRUEL OR ABUSE

Feeling pitty or sorry for my dog is a waste of time. He certainly doesn't feel sorry for himself or show any signs fo abuse. He's a healthy happy dog, fed the best foods and treated better than most. Training tools are not dangerous or cruel when used correctly. An out of control dog on the other hand is dangerous and the consequences they have to face for our downfalls is cruel. (Euthenasia) Death for our human mistakes.

 Is there possibly someone in this topic, that feels not attacked…??? .... ( except few )

....... although no attack takes place.....

"Why isn't it possible for so many humans to train their dogs with love and patience? I read… this collar, that collar, here again and again this aid and that one"

Sounds like a statment regarding anyone using tools to train their dogs don't love them or use patience. You come off sounding like you sit at home all day and do nothing but smooze with your dogs and that makes you a better person or trainer. In real life people have kids, a job, friends that require allot more of our time than our dogs. I run a business out of my home that involves children. I have a huge liability if my dogs don't learn quickly how to behave around kids.

MI_GSD will be getting a nice new phone on hubby!  On the plus side sounds like he was doing laundry when he got busted, at least you've got him that far (what is that equal to a BH?)

spare the rod - spoil the child.  Right on YRT!  Nothing wrong with learning a little respect!  There are a ton of people who could do with a huge helping of that along with a big honking side of 'suck it up' as 4pack points out.  Better they learn it at home from a handler/parent!

MI_GSD, e- collar to the groin area. Husband, not the dog! I'll let you decide what setting. LOL

Senta,By what you explain you know your dogs.That is good.

Senta you seem like a very caring lady. And one would be so lucky to be your dog (from the sounds of it) but with different culture and backrounds you will find no two trainers agree on everything.

I do think many people/trainers have come along way from what training used to be and even dog owners. I know I have (used to do the Koeller Mythod back in the day) now we learn and experiment with new ways and Ideals. As no two trainers will agree, no two dogs learn the exact same way.

As for the husband  short, simple words/directions Work best ( on kids too)  i.e point to garbage, look at husband  and say Garbage, OUT while moving the pointed finger towards door. This teaches them to learn ( no long sentance to listen to like "Honey, Please tkae the garbage out for me" ( Blah Blah balh).   He heard "Garbage out"  and with the hand signal if done everytime, in time you will be able to just look and point!!!!  after chore is done reward  with praise (I love you)  and with TV controler, beer or computer time LOL