Why do breeders sell dogs without breeding rights - Page 6

Can see that would be a big worry Don C if you were using the registration paper for the purpose

Margaret N-J

simply just do not buy a puppy from those breeders because not every one wants to breed and as long as you take care of the dog,give it a good life. the blood lines most of these breeders breeding they did not create these blood lines,so they should not be dictating who breeds these lines.when you pay good money you should have the opption to make your own decision wheather you want to breed or not.Like i said before most breeders have this notion that all there dogs are going to working homes that is just not true there are not enough working inthe world to place the amount of working dogs being bread most go to pet homes and there is nothing wrong with that as long as you are giving them good life and having fun with them.lot of breeders talk about sending there working puppies to working home yet they have never even title there own dog.they just buy titled dogs and breed them.i have seen lot of good dogs imported from germany and czeck and ddr dogs in to the united sates popular dogs what happens to them they are no longer going to trial feildsand they are only being bread to the breeders own females wheather they are good or not..so like i said walk away from a breeder who is giving you stupid stories.there are like i said,lot of breeders out there.

If you are seriously interested in breeding, if that is your priority, why would you buy a puppy in the first place?

Don Corleone is right on the money.  If your going  to sell that pup to someone and say you have to jump thru hoops to get a full AKC registration.   Why did you sell that pup to the buyer in the first place? How much homework have you done on the buyer? if you have to mandate to them performance standards that's the easy way out.  Prove to me over time your worthy of a full regestration.  Do your due diligence before hand.   Simple answer MONEY  The almighty dollar.

If I was a breeder which I'm not and have no intentions of being one   I would fully evaluate the buyer BEFORE I sold them a puppy to make sure I was fully satisfied that the pup was going to a good home.  Not put my hand out for the cold hard cash and then say this is what you have to do to get fully regestered. That is the height of hypocrisy.

Sue

That is a whole other thread.   That is like asking if you plan on competing at a high level, why buy a puppy?  Why not buy a finished dog?    Some people like to train a dog from square one.   

I imagine breeders who sell on limited registration do so as a result of seeing too many pups sold to people who  do nothing with their dogs except breed them.  Maybe they are sick of seeing columns and columns of GSD puppy ads in the Sunday papers, put there by people who just want to make a few bucks.  Maybe they are trying to do the responsible thing. 

How do you "fully" eval a buyer? Do you visit their home across the country or a diff counrty all together? Do you demand a credit check and background investigation?  Be realistic, breeders can only ask and buyers can lie. It happens all the time. Limited reg is fair and it keeps everyone honest. If you don't want to buy on a limited reg, go elsewhere. Plenty of breeders with no morals around, take your pick. Some can cry it is hypocritical but something has to start somewhere.

Like Sue, I thought it was crazy at first too. If I pay, it's my dog mentality. I came to understand the reasons for doing it and now I agree it is a good idea. Sure a few breeders will go out of business and you won't get your limited changed possibly. I do believe someone posted once, that should a breeder not follow through, or die before they can follow through, you can send the facts, your contract/your proof of titles to AKC and they will grant you the full reg. I'm not saying this is a sure bet, I have not had to do it. Something to think about though. Also you should as a buyer be evaluating your breeder, make sure they are credible and not fly by night. Will they be around in 3 years? They don't have to still be breeding to fill out paperwork for you. Will it be the end of the world if you don't get full reg? Will the bred die out if a few dogs don't contribute to the gene pool, should some fluke happen?

I will use myself as an example here.  My Tiekerhook dog was imported in the early 90s.  There weren't a lot of Tiekerhook dogs in this country at that time, but the reputation of dogs from that kennel as extreme dogs, and excellent in the work was very well established.  Even though I trained him to a very high level I was unable to title him for reasons I will not go into on this board.  He also had bad hips.  If I remember correctly they graded him as borderline on one side and moderate on the other.  Still, I was a member of our club and was out there training twice a week and supporting other members by going to trials with them.

Here's the thing.  He had full AKC registration and was registered by  Dutch  GSD organization. There were a lot of people who wanted to breed their bitch to my dog.  They didn't care about his hips and they didn't care he wasn't titled - they had seen him work, knew about Tiekerhook and that was enough.  Even after he was 10 years old with a hip replacement I still got calls!!!!!!! 

My point is it would have been very easy to make a few bucks and breed the dog.  I didn't because I didn't think it was the right thing to do, and PLEASE don't misunderstand, I'm not saying all this to garner sympathy or brag, MY POINT is there's good reasons for breeders to sell puppies on a limited registration.  It becomes very easy to justify breedings that shouldn't take place when it's your own dog.

You just proved that a good person will do the right thing even if they have full registration!  A bad person will always be bad.