Breeding question... - Page 6

Hi new to the block, just came across this post and very intrested, I am not a breeder, but have had this converstation on "my" forum.

Many if not all are agasint this, for me I can hear what Jeff is saying, but still what debbie is saying and showing is what I would like to see.

Cant help to look at your dog and say stunning and if she works brilliant... to me no matter what other say... GSD is a GSD, we started with the 2 lines, maybe we should small and in good places bring it back to what it was.

My Conni. An excellent example of a working/show cross.

Father Ben Aamuhlen, (Astor Schelmenturm, Harro, Wicko Meran, Boris Trogenbach)

Mother goes to show dogs: DIngo Haus Gero, Eiko Kirschental, Uran.... (Bolsruh)

Over 10 yrs. old in the pic on this link: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/355707.html

Well, Jeff,

You hit the nail on the head.  I am working towards campaigning this litter's sire in working competition soon.  I am also encouraging others with show lines who have great work to do so also. So, we'll seen in a year or two. Working homes for his progeny are priority also, as this is the only way to show solid proof of a sire's abilitys. In my opinion, even if you take a show line to Nationals and they do well, the working line people will come back at you and say he is just a "freak" and will not consistantly produce work.  Proof of passing the work along is what is most valuable.

A good trainer can make a bad dog look good. A bad trainer can make a good dog look bad. The difference will most likely show up in the progeny.

Debby

ebinezer052899@yahoo.com castlebrookshepherds.net

Debby,  your puppy took my breath away.  She is absolutely beautiful!!!  I hope the repeat breeding is equally as successful for you. 

Thanks so much Sunny!

I do too!

Debby

I have no problem if the showline was known to produce dogs that can work...I won't be prejudiced about that...but that would be the exception, not the rule. I guess my question would be, why bother? There are plenty of good, proven working lines with good show ratings, and I don't find the working line as something that needs to be fixed physically as a whole. We have a hard enough time keeping up with their temperament (PLENTY of crap working line dogs), why breed to show lines, which are notoriously worse?

Do you show folk really think the working line dogs aren't beautiful enough? So it looks like a jackal. When it hurtles down the field and takes the helper down in the long bite (for real, no I just tripped over his hair stuff), I always think that's more beautiful than anything.

Beauty is subjective. Everyone knows that.  I think the MOST beautiful thing is to see my show line(correct to the German written standard) hurtle down the field and flatten the helper for real!!!!!!!!!! LOL

The proof .... Coming soon!!!

Debby

ebinezer052899@yahoo.com castlebrookshepherds.net

OK, now you guys have started to lose your minds. A showline from anywhere knocking a helper down??? Lets not get carried away.

On a different note, there are some interesting things to be learned from looking at Malinois. There is no real thought to anything but work, and there are three (in my experience) basic shapes, all that do the work. There is the basic Mal, which a lot of people have seen, there is the stocky wider bodied mal, and the sort of greyhound looking mal. However I have seen all three shapes knock decoys down.

It would be cool to get to that point with the GSD. Or at least closer than we are now. : )