Reply to Shtal (Interesting facts, for believers) - Page 53

 Hi Deana,      Yes it would be nice to talk face to face.  But the devils doctrine of predestination is something  I could never laugh about.

   your friend in Christ

  gouda

The sad thing is .. if Jesus Christ does return .. he would be beaten, torchered and nailed to a cross yet again.

And by the looks of it .. America - the only country in the world that defeated the most powerful standing King on the earth - just to crown Jesus Christ the King - will be leading the persecution. Unbelievable.

Some appreciate that, some don't ... huh Travels.   Nope, no force there.

BabyEagle, do know that Christ is not coming for an earthly reign, or a "1,000" year reign. (if you want me to post another thread about that explaining why according to the scriptures I can do so)  Anyone who states that is misusing or taking out of context the scriptures.  The 2nd coming.......is it.....After the second coming we will face our judgment.  All biblical prophecies in the OT were fulfilled, however the only prophecy in scriptures that has not been fulfilled yet is that of Christ's second coming.  So no need for any to worry about Him being persecuted another time.

GSD08 wrote
Good evening GSD08
BabyEagle, do know that Christ is not coming for an earthly reign, or a "1,000" year reign.

My reply--- I differ with your opion on this GSD08, I would just love to discuss this. Of course using only the K.J. Bible,no copying and pasting.

THANKS IN ADVANCE

gouda

gouda "Older" translations of the Bible (King James) are actually based on "newer" manuscripts. Scholars from the 17th century only had access to the manuscripts that they knew existed, most of which were actually Latin translations of manuscripts that were passed down from Catholic tradition. Since 1611, many new archaeological discoveries have been made, revealing much older manuscripts than they had available when KJ commissioned his Bible. Many newer translation like the NASB and the NIV are based on these much older manuscripts. The King James Bible has a ton of problems with it because it is not based on older Greek, but traditional Latin translations of the New Testament. It just doesn't match up, in terms of accuracy and readability, with the NASB. Contrary to some people's ignorant opinion, the King James is not the only true Word of God. 

I will start a new thread either later tonight or tomorrow morning for you on the 1,000 year reign, showing you how there will not be a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ.  

Looking forward to it

  gouda

I've been busy and haven't had much time to be here and respond.

"Travels, 

I had no idea you wanted to "rule". Good luck to ya'.  I don't feel like going on the merry-go-round with you. You want to play all fields, go ahead but I call deception, where is your honesty? Give me honesty, and I give it back. Without it, reread my post and try to understand your vile, unfounded accusations are just that. Find people who will only play in your world, that might work for you, too.  I see it for the dead end, it quite simply is."

I don't want to rule, I don't think anybody should rule when it comes to thought and morality, that's the whole point.  Nobody should be stopped from living their lives as they see fit, as long as they are not removing the rights of another to do so.  Pushing to teach creation in public school is pushing past that boundary, that's what Church is for.  Legislating against the rights of any two adults to marry and live their lives as if their happiness were important, is pushing past that boundary.  Birth control issues are right now pushing past that boundary, because there's nothing new on the abortion, no matter what the talking heads say.  Religion can't touch the abortion issue because public funds are not used.  So they're finding a back door, dishonestly.  And if they were to really get their way, when all is said and done, you could probably be jailed for masturbating :)  Right Shtal?

What's wrong with being happy to practice what you believe?  Why does my living by anyone's rules, except my own, make your opinion any more important than mine, whether we happen to agree or not?   How is secularism so evil?  How is secularism taking away anyone's religion?  How is science taking away religion?  Why does the government set down specific standards that science has to go by?   Why does the government only accept science on certain criteria, yet politicians use religion as a tool for votes?  Have you ever really thought about that?  There are government standards, by law, that deal with scientific standards. .  If science was not living up to its burden of proof, the government would not accept those very standards.  They are fact, they are truth, and no matter how you want to opine about how it all began,  if you want to accept it and then, when you get the point that we haven't yet reached, say "God did it!", then you would be perfectly within your rights.  But you cannot deny what the real world accepts as evidence, then jump up and down and say "But, it's just a theory!", it doesn't change the facts, the evidence, the science.   You cannot deny evidence to the world at large, even if you deny it in your own mind.  That is not the problem of science, that is the problem of religion.  If you cannot justify those contradictions within your own psyche, then that's something you have to re-evalutate and work out on your own.  Like I said before, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

So beetree, you can hedge and call me dishonest all you want, but I think you need to turn that mirror around.

Travels:

Nothing wrong with believing whatever you want to believe. I'm all for that for you. Why ever would you think differently? Geeze Us. Sorry to keep disappointing you but I'm not going to bite. Matter of fact, I am starting to see your repetitious, lengthy diatribes and my eyes begin to glaze over involuntarily!

You're just going to have to find someone who cares about whatever gets you  all upset about religion. I do believe the Pope apologized already?  Maybe you can just accept it and move on?


Now if you watched that James Fallon video and want to discuss brain imaging and morality, I am all over that subject.

Here's one by an ex-atheist with reference to science and Darwin.

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