Reply to Shtal (Interesting facts, for believers) - Page 52

Ruger1 wrote: They are not profitable..


Sure, that means: With the clear mind of understanding: Origin of Universe, Origin of life, Origin of humanity and design of creative realm for benefit humanity. And seeing how universe were carefully fine-tuned and simply just to say, it happened by a chance? - Clearly NOT.
Intelligent design would be compelling evidences for cause of age, space and time; this is common knowledge that everything has starting point. And; space time theorem which proves that there must be a cause of designer or agent beyond space, time; that creates - universe, matter, energy, space and time.

Ruger1, To make this profitable subject.

The Big Bang theory does not explain origin of time, space and matter; what exploded? Where did it come from? Where did the energy come from? Why are the some planets spinning backwards to others?
Law of conservation angular momentum. says: You know if the spinning object breaks apart a friction less environment - everything spins the same way. You know we have Venus, Uranus and possibility Pluto spin backwards and at least six moons spins backwards and everything is tending toward to decay and Big Bang is exactly opposite of that. Where did all the stuff come from?
And why would God ever use a Big Bang, why just make it right? And so I believe he did make it right - In the beginning God created.
Also this doesn’t not proof creation happened billions of years ago; that is when people go from observation to the interpretation of the observation and that is where the trouble starts.

Thanks for the clarification on the definition. Apparently I typed it in wrong in my computer dictionary: 

I ended up with:

Phi•log•y•nist: A person who likes and admires women.


No wonder I was confused, LOL

"I agree. It is entirely moot to continue. I really don't appreciate you deciding how I feel about religion and putting your twist on what I am discussing to fan dissent and yes, hatred. I know the game you are playing and the only way to stop it, is to take the high road. Nice try, at the mirroring, too,  but a coward's approach. We have nothing further to discuss unless you are honest in your discussion, that's the term I set, between you and I.  All the rest is an excuse for abuse, like I already said."

Lots of words there with not much content.  What did I twist beetree?  Where have I fanneed dissent and hatred?  Because I don't give a shit about your feelings for religion?  What you're not getting is I don't care what your feelings are about religion, one way or the other.  It's none of my business until you make it my business and even then, I will not counter anyone's irrational ideas with my own irrational ideas, what would that accomplish?

Someone asserts something and when they're called on to verify their claims, that's dissent and hatred?  Really?   In the world I live in, that's called producing evidence for your claims.  Not abstract thought, but actual evidence.  When dealing with a way in which to "rule" society, you'd better come with something that resides in the realm of reality, not possibility.  Please name the game that you know I"m playing.

Travels, 

I had no idea you wanted to "rule". Good luck to ya'.  I don't feel like going on the merry-go-round with you. You want to play all fields, go ahead but I call deception, where is your honesty? Give me honesty, and I give it back. Without it, reread my post and try to understand your vile, unfounded accusations are just that. Find people who will only play in your world, that might work for you, too.  I see it for the dead end, it quite simply is. 

This thread reminds me of early Rome.  

How far back you going?  I just got the image in my head of the she-wolf suckling Romulus and Remus.......lol

I'd say the persecution of Jesus and forward till the Emperor of Rome was baptized on his death bed. That far back.  lol

 

Gouda, what I meant buy "wow someone" was some here think that with many words and copy/ paste articles there will be a convincing of something,,,Its not going to happen,,This is not a head issue where folks are lacking intellect. its a heart issue and one that wont be changed by all this back and forth and lengthy postings.....

As far as me being a strange bird, lol, it's true I cant deny it,,,but not exactly the kind of strange that you are referring to...

Gouda, I have said many times before that you and I do not see eye to eye on doctrine,,I will not debate doctrinal issues with you here as this is not the place. However, I would love the opportunity to meet you face to face and spend time discussing Gods Word together,,I am comforted in knowing that what we do have in common is enough that one day we will have eternity to laugh about our doctrinal differences,,,

Travels, I don't expect to wow anyone, lol,,actually I have said, that I do expect folks to think what I believe to be foolish,,,That you don't believe doesn't bother me and I am not offended by what you choose to think,,,

And as far as you being worried about being forced,,,You are not being forced, but quite the opposite.You have not been given the privilege to believe.  You have been given the full ability to reject God and choose to deny what has been made perfectly evident through creation. . ..Make no mistake Travels, you and no one else are above the will of a Sovereign God and all the denying of Him will not change that...

Ruger, it's unfortunate that many in the first century didn't even believe Christ was who He said He was, despite the miracles and teachings done right in front of them by Him.  Some did believe, but because of their prestige and high power.....denied instead..  

Also remember what was said with the rich man and Lazarus, when the rich man wanted to be able to warn his brothers so they could repent..

 "And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28 for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham *said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

I'm sure that would hold true (both things I just mentioned) even if He was here right now doing those things, or even if someone did rise from the dead......Most still wouldn't believe.