26 year old Iraq Veteran Gunned Down At Home - Page 51

Do you project much?

My answer is people are human and mistakes will be made on both sides. Is that some mass conspiracy(facts for you), I doubt it and so do you.

CIA-Again, that is a whole different topic.

My last statement to you is if you have never been on a raid, then how do you pretend to know the stress and the things that in a split second make it what it is? YOU CAN'T, YOU HAVE NEVER DONE IT, but you can project all you want and make it all that you can.  Have fun. 

SP

Why do you ask a person a question and then you answer it for them?

If you're going to ask a question why not let the person respond?

Or do you even care what their answer is?

Ninja,

I asked, he choose to deflect, what would think? He is a swat team leader? I guessed more along the lines of a backseat swat team member. LOL.

Sock, because swat raids are so stressful and involve use of lethal force, mistakes can easily occur for all involved and these operations should not be deployed so often, and probably not at all in the way they ae now used.  I know one retired dtective who believes that they shouldn't be used at all and only uniformed ploice in the same community area should be used and good, clean arrests can be made if proper surveillance is used. 

Because these swat home invasions are so high stress and dangerous for all involved, I do not believe they should be deployed in civilian areas against non-violent suspects or misdemeanors or petty drug users.  So many problems have surface with use of swat, such as wrongful deaths, etc. due to wrong address, drugged out flaky informants who give bad info, abusive violent language, excess force and thuggery it should be clear this is an offensive weapon of war not suitable for community policing.  Better to keep police involved in the community.  Arresting officers should know the folks they are arresting on warrants and should suitably plan the arrests, not resort to military assaul/home invasion tactics started by Darry Gates who is a whole other story altogether. 

There is no place for use of vile language and verbal assaults by police officers.  There is no place for shooting harmless beloved family pets and enjoying it.  Police that do this are usually end up committing murder eventually.  Thumpers are bad for any dept and with the advent of video, there is more and more accountability.  Swat raids are bad PR for police in many cases and prvent normal everday police work from getting the respect it usually deserves.  In my city trigger happy police opened up on an undercover detective and wouldn't stop when he told them he was a police officer.  Now he is disabled.  Use and swat and the massive influx of drugs brought in by the Govt and intel is the root of this problem in my view and I think it is best to eliminate this problem by dealing with the root causes.  That is why I have posted in this subject line.  I don't claim to have all the answers but I do know what I have commented on.  Awareness is the first step in correcting this problem of Govt corruption. Most folks want honest govt and clean intel.

One time I was sitting right next to a retired high ranking intel official at an expensive resturuant where certain folks of a similar ilk came to eat.  I overheard him discussing matters related related to Iran/Contra.  I spoke up and said that I didn't approve of the use of "controlled deliveries" under any circumstances.  He replied and smiled saying "well sometimes you have to walk with the devil for a while if you want to win a war".

One time I had a conversation with someone close to such matters.  We discussed  Govt drug trafficking, mena ark, Bary Seal, etc.  I asked him what he thought about it.  He said the same thing I have heard a number of times from others involved: "drugs and prostitution are the two oldest professions.  No-one is going to stop them, they have been around since the beginning of time.  Not me, not you, not the Govt. Now do you want those scumbag drug dealers on the street to get all that money, or would you rather have it go to your country to protect our national security?  No  matter what you are anyone says or does, somebody is going to sell drugs and get the money.  It might as well be us.  We don't force anyone to buy drugs, it is their free choice. This provides us with an instant informant and intel network all over the world that is unmatched.  We use the network as we wish and then arrest the dealers one at a time later after we are done with them.  Then we make informants out of some."  I asked him about possible collateral damage to the society and citizens.   His reply was something to the effect that this had always going on anyway and could never be stopped, so the govt has to get control and keep control of it. And besides it needs the money any way since congrss won't fund necessary intelligence functions to protect our country properly. 

I didn't argue with him because I knew it wouldn't do any good and for other reasons. But this appears to be the standard rationalization these folks believe and share with the house and senate intelligence committee leaders who have intelligence clearances.

My own view is that Govt drug dealing is wrong because of the damage to the communities and tendency to make them into drug infested violent war zones (jungles). I think it is the root of a great deal of the urban problems we have in this country.  In addition I do not believe in use of flash and drug stings either.  I don't know what the answers are but I think that the Govt, intel and police should obey ALL the laws and avoid RICO crimes which harm us all.  Govt drug dealing breeds corruption at all levels of govt. IMO.

When I have asked certain officers why they believe swat is necessary it seems that they always talk about need for a lightening quick entry to prevent the drugs from being flushed.  There must be a better way of dealing with these drug problems.  It seems to me if a buy is properly documented, that should suffice for an arrest warrant of the suspect. 

Nobody wants a drug dealer in their neighborhood.  I know of a case where a professional lady rented an upper duplex in a fairly nice part of town.  It turns out the lower part was rented by a dealer.  She told me that all hours of the night expensive cars (mercedes, porches, escalades, etc.) with nicely dressed suburban looking men or women who would pull up and buy drugs openly on the porch.  She called the police many times and they said they would come out when they had time (they were very busy), but they never came.  It turned out that the renter below had been prviously busted and was now apparently an informant and  allowed to keep functioning. This happens more than most realize.

Controlled deliveries are rationalized because eventually the drugs will supposedly  lead to "Mr. Big".  But it never seems to happen and the deliveries just keep coming and coming.  This is not good for our cities or for society. (documented history of Govt drug trafficking) http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/102904.html 

I once was told by a seasoned narcotics officer that if the drug money laundering was suddenly stopped that some major wall street banks would go under.  He also said that he suspected for years that Govt drug operations were used not only to get "off the book" funds for black ops and political payoffs, but also as a means to pull money out of circulation to help keep inflation down, and a way to get back the welfare money.  I hope that he was wrong.  Dennis Dayle head of CENTAC said that every time their Federal Task Force closed in on a major drug network the "company" was always there in the background.  This is documented in his book, the Underground Empire. “In my 30-year history in the Drug Enforcement Administration and related agencies, the major targets of my investigations almost invariably turned out to be working for the CIA.” Dennis Dayle, former chief of an elite DEA enforcement unit. 

Perhaps we need to consider decriminalizing petty small quantity non-violent drug use and trabnsform this into a medical problem like some European countries have done.

"One time I was sitting right next to a retired high ranking intel official at an expensive resturuant where certain folks of a similar ilk came to eat.  I overheard him discussing matters related related to Iran/Contra."

"I know one retired dtective"

"I once was told by a seasoned narcotics officer" 

"One time I had a conversation with someone close to such matters." 


Knowing one or two people and over-hearing conversations by supposed "officials"  does not mean there is a conspiracy going on.  Yes, there is corruption and there always will be until the end of time.  No one should be naive, but to go on what one or two people tell you or base conspiracy theories on over-hearing a conversation by a supposed official at a restaurant is wrong.  People often exaggerate circumstances for the attention it brings them.  You can't believe everything you hear or read (or over-hear).  Use some common sense.  I mentioned by niece's husband who is in military intelligence earlier on this thread.  I did not give out much information on him because this is an international forum and his security clearance is so high that he cannot travel outside of the US.  He would never go to a restaurant and discuss his work like the supposed "intel official" Preston mentioned!!!  How do you even know that person was an "intel official?"  He could have been anybody!  The real officials do not go around discussing their work in public nor do they tell their family, friends, or acquaintances.  USE COMMON SENSE!

All of Peston's stories are the same. I was sitting next to or some person told me this or someone told someone I know. People tend to say a lot and most of it is hot air. I am sure these HIGH ranking police officials are spilling the beans to Preston all the time. They just can't help but tell him the inside scope as he tells them about alphabit intel and his conspiracies.  LMAO.

It is more he said she said BS. Preston, how about some cold hard facts and not hearsay or your conspiracy website links, that feed your conspiracy theory lust.

Wonder how Preston will respond?  Since he does not trust the government, how can he possibly trust all those "officials" he talks to or over-hears?  This is why I asked him on another post what his credentials were.  His answer was very vague.

So then you people chop blockin Preston don't think this Operation Fast and Furious is for real ? You don't think tptb were killing whistleblowers ? Why, because it's not on the MSM ?  (lol)

Seriously, it's been aired on CSPAN3 all the Congressional hearings with the Justice Department, Arizona State, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms , ATF, etc .. this is NO conspiracy. It's happening, and because of all the hearings tptb are resigning left and right, now Eric Holder's arse is on the line. Now after weeks it's getting some MSM airtime or at least the firearms are getting some airtime. They won't dare put the drug distribution on the MSM .. yet anyhows.

 CRAZY.  RIP Jose Guerena.