Czech GSD's with bad hips - Page 50

Every dog has the propensity to produce dysplastic pups regardless of whether they have a physical manifestation of HD. There is no GS that is HD free in the sense that not only are they free but whomever they are bred to the litter will not have HD because one parent did not contribute any HD gene. I defy anyone to identify such a dog....the Heck with this opinion bullshit, show me a true HD free dog both phenotype and genotype. If you can't, then understand what that means, if you don't understand what I am saying you should not even be opening your mouth, and if you believe there is; identify the dog for us. Let supplement some opinions with some actual instances!!! And I don't want no cop outs because if someone can identify such a dog in the breed, that would be a tremendous positive to the breed. Too many people posting on this thread don't know shit!( And I seldom curse...lol) ....Get off the pot

Some stern warnings Gustav....hopefully those that think you get HD free GSD's will think again and take this seriously...

@ aadilah: What Gustav said was..... there is not a GSD that can't produce HD. He didn't say there are no HD free GSDs. So stop trying to twist his words for another one of your, "warn the world" pieces.

Like I said, if you don't understand what I am saying....get it explained to you, test it out, and then start over with that foundation before you spout off all the theoretical/ideological feel good stuff. There are realities to hips in this breed, if you don't understand that you are I'll prepared to lecture anyone. Too many folks on these forums with limited experience and knowledge; that could do more listening than talking. My father always told me the true sign of a smart person is one that can recognize another who knows more and shuts up and learns. I have always remembered that.

joanro, why don't you read the posts carefully...
Gustav was referring to aaykay and so was I...

aaykay is the one that spoke of the HD free GSD's....

and with your limited knowledge....never mind....

Gustav, next time name them like how they like to name others...
@Aadilah07, etc..............

Then maybe they will realize that you're actually referring to them....

I'm not referring to people specifically, in most instances, I am referring to people who post on various subject matters with very little experience and subsequently limited knowledge. Like posters who are the most stringent on breeders and or hips and then you read they have never bred a litter or have had a couple GS in their life. Ludicrous! Hey everyone can and is entitled to an opinion, but everyone does not have an educated or informed opinion. You cannot be a really knowledgable person about this breed without extensive hands on involvement. Sorry, not Gustav's rule...just reality. Too many variables and complexities for a person with just book and video knowledge to truly understand this breed enough to give advice to experienced people on issues like breeding or hips. Some people have to post on anything they see, but it is so easy to see the people who are lacking practical experience because their whole message is nothing but a regurgitation of talking points! Real extensive hands involvement in this breed inform people of the multiple variables and approaches that make each situation unique; and a one size fits all isn't productive in this breed. I have seen the evolution of curve for hips from only breeding best physical specimen, to palpating, to vitaminC, to radiographs at one year, to radiographs at two years, to Pennhipp, to diet, to diet/genetic cause, and many more if I think harder. Yet the issue remains. Breeding and to a lesser extent hips are an art more so than a formula. That's why there is no definitive set way to produce good dogs or good hips. The absolutist are full of shit! ....you know why,?, because whatever way they are doing things( and proclaim this is only reputable way), I can name five breeders that do things the same way that is producing Crap!.....that's in breeding and hips! So what ......do we ignore them examples to force our POV on others....I laugh at such people! It takes a boatload of experience and knowledge to be successful in this breed....that's why it is art based as opposed to science based. Of course you use scientific evidence to help shape strategies, but you can't rely on them totally in breeding or hips. I am not dispelling scientific information( as some scientific only breeder will try to say), but merely pointing out that breeding and hips require more than formulas to be successful....jmo

"...breeding and hips require more than formulas to be successful....jmo"


Exactly! HD is in the breed.

This paraphrase is from someone who has bred dogs for decades... I believe Hans has one of his dogs too:

"if breeding good dogs was that easy, every moron would do it"

1. Prager:
"If the predisposition to HD is small then the trigger needs to be big and if the genetic predisposition is big that the trigger can only  be small or even non existent." 

2. Prager:
"A.Example is extreme but is illustrative. ( Cornell university...I believe) 
1.2  dogs with high HD were bred. Produced litter which was dysplastic.  
2. same  2 dogs were bred again and the pups were kept for I believe 1 year in containment where they could be only sitting. None or almost none of the pups have bad hips."

I abolutely believe in the 1. quote. That said we need to know as much as possible about any predisposition in any line/dog. And that´s why I believe in x-raying AND a database for HD/ED -  PennHip, OFA, SV, whatsoever. We need to know about ancestors, siblings, littermates...we need to know about PREDISPOSTION!

The second quote is useless. We are talking about LIVING ANIMALS.
IF a dog isn´t allowed to play or run or jump during his whole puppyhood to avoid HD, there already IS a predisposition...

Drives me crazy, let´s start a threat about HD written in German

GUSTAV
              FIRST OFF
                               I dont want to get into inteligence. People didn't question hilter until it was to late. So as shutting up as your Dad put it dosen't fly. you know it and everyone here knows it so don't bully people like your daddy.

#1 QUESTION AUTHORITY IS NUMBER ONE BECAUSE THEIR IS STUPID PEOPLE IN HIGH PLACES.

#2 EVERY LIVING THING HAS A PROPENSITY FOR WHAT EVER DISEASE/INFLICTION THAT IT HAS. YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE ANYTHING WHEN IT COMES TO A LIVING ANIMAL. SO FOR YOU TO ASK TO BE SHOWN A DOG WITHOUT THE PROPENSITY FOR "HD" IS FOLLY.

@ J Basler....#2....glad you got the message!, #1 doesnt concern me what you think about my analogies....only my message!