VOM and VON - what does this mean? - Page 5

von/vom ARE interchangeable, they are the same thing!  One is going to be grammatically correct based on the gender of the noun.

We don't "change" dog names in the US, not sure where that idea came from....?  We don't add to the name either.  You don't usually see two kennel names unless the litter was co-bred and that's how the breeders decided to register.  If you import a dog you would not change the name or add your own kennel name to the end.

VK, von and vom are NOT interchangeable, I´m German. Like you said, it´s based on the gender of the noun, very important for us...

With " changing names " I didn´t use the correct term ( sorry ), but isn´t it true that everybody is able to register a dog with AKC, using his own " name " for said dog?
I might be totally wrong, but I think people are able to register a puppy as soon as the ancestors are known, using their own " name " for the dog, if the breeder didn´t register the litter by himself. Impossible for us, as soon as a puppy is born it gets its name - forever - possible for you, because breeders are not forced to register any dog they breed.

Sorry, if I´m wrong.
Susie

Susie I mean interchangeable as in they mean the same thing.  Which word you use depends on the gender of the noun, not what you are trying to say.  If you pick the wrong one, it looks stupid because it's wrong.

The only dogs I've registered with the AKC were puppies, so the breeder registers the litter and their bill of sale usually says the dog's name.  You can't change it or add to it.  I've also changed ownership/AKC registration for adult dogs but again, never changed the name.  I suppose you could, but people generally don't.  The breeder names the dog (or gives you a letter the name has to start with).

Not the way its done in the UK either, UK-born pups should have a
registered name, reg. done by the breeder, prior to sale.  New owner
then has very limited options re change of name, can add their own
kennel affix (if they have one) as I explained.  And they choose their
own 'call name' for everyday, non-Competition entry, use.
(That one can be in Swahili, for all anyone else cares).
 
The only time a formal name might be invented from scratch for an adult or
sub-adult dog is where the owner makes a Single Registration application,
because for some reason or other the pup and its littermates were not KC
registered shortly after birth by the breeder.  Doesn't happen that often.

So we never get those situations where a new puppy purchaser is asking
for suggestions and what words they are 'allowed' to use etc, when they
are registering their dog themselves with AKC.  Which is what I was talking
about when I referred to 'laxity', and Susie has clearly noticed too.

AKC breeders are only allowed to pick names for dogs they register in their own names. They may not fill in any of the name on the registration application  although many do it anyway. When I finally received the registration app for my first GSD, the kennel name and the first letter of his name was already filled in.This was done by an AKC judge who knew better.  If a buyer doesn't agree to the name, all they have to do is contact AKC and tell them that the breeder filled in the registered name. After a dog is registered with AKC, I don' t think there is any chance of getting that dog's name  changed.

If a breeder wants a dog they bred to carry his/her kennel name and/or a specific name, then they should register the dog in their own name and then transfer it to the new owner.

" If a breeder wants a dog they bred to carry his/her kennel name and/or a specific name, then they should register the dog in their own name and then transfer it to the new owner. "
But that´s the reason of the confusion - every breeder should have to register every single litter and every single pup he produced.
These puppies are bred by someone, for me it´s a no-go to register the good ones and to " forget " the others.
For me a breeder always is a breeder, no matter about the quality, he has to stand behind his product.
And for everybody trying to track down pedigrees the world would be much easier...

AKC has a different take on that, Susie. They think that the buyer of the puppy has the right to name it whatever they want. It's an American thing