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by Gustav on 28 March 2013 - 08:03
I must admit that I know of Czech breeders that have taken borderline dogs to Germany for a better hip score reading, so the previous comment does not surprise me.
by VKGSDs on 28 March 2013 - 09:03
If the hip scores are already inflated then what does that say about a dog over 100? To me that is valuable information if I'm supposed to assume that dog is producing even *worse* than what the ZW score indicates.
by eddyelevation on 28 March 2013 - 12:03
only seen 9 so far all fantastic looking specimens.............u know the business!!
by Xeph on 28 March 2013 - 19:03
Frankie Anrebti is a beautiful dog, but he must be bred to the right female.
Absolutely!!!! I outright admit that I do not know these lines, but since we were discussing looks and structure, I posted dogs I feel are excellent examples of the breed. I'd sure love to hear about the Salztalblick dogs temperaments sometime if anybody would like to share :)
Absolutely!!!! I outright admit that I do not know these lines, but since we were discussing looks and structure, I posted dogs I feel are excellent examples of the breed. I'd sure love to hear about the Salztalblick dogs temperaments sometime if anybody would like to share :)
by susie on 28 March 2013 - 19:03
Xeph, you may ask about special dogs or bloodlines, but not about "Salztalblick dogs" as a whole.
This kennel maybe is the biggest " producer " of German Shepherd dogs in Germany (a family business of 1. Salztalblick 2. Haus Salztalblick 3. Salztal-höhe ).
In 2011 they owned or rented more than 30 females for breeding....
This kennel maybe is the biggest " producer " of German Shepherd dogs in Germany (a family business of 1. Salztalblick 2. Haus Salztalblick 3. Salztal-höhe ).
In 2011 they owned or rented more than 30 females for breeding....
by johan77 on 28 March 2013 - 20:03
What happened to the time when dogs like these very considered sound and beautifull in structure, why the need for a more slopping back and more angulation than these have?
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=437478
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=58389
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=437478
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=58389
by Xeph on 28 March 2013 - 20:03
Sloping, not slopping. There comes a point where a dog has too much rear, but I will honestly state that if GSDs looked as they did upon conception, I wouldn't own one.
Dogs with super straight stifles are more prone to ACL tears. You've got an animal that turns better, but jumping suffers (just as it does when the dog becomes overangulated). I am not impressed by either of the other dogs posted. Poor croups, bad backs, poorly proportioned.. No thanks.
Dogs with super straight stifles are more prone to ACL tears. You've got an animal that turns better, but jumping suffers (just as it does when the dog becomes overangulated). I am not impressed by either of the other dogs posted. Poor croups, bad backs, poorly proportioned.. No thanks.
by johan77 on 28 March 2013 - 21:03
Is this also a dog then that are not build for work and needs more angulation and less straight back?
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=862
What I know most animals related to dogs, like wolfs, are more of that type, so I can´t see nature don´t know how a healthy and sound structure should look like. I understand people can have different preferences, but if function and health should be first priority I fail to see why the old school GSD should be replaced. I would say I feel the complete opposite, what drawns me to the breed was the noble and wolflike apperance, just like a male lion or tiger has an unmatched beauty. Would be really sad if such dogs would be harder and harder to find, especially since it´s a working breed that shouldn´t be produced with a structure that works against it.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=862
What I know most animals related to dogs, like wolfs, are more of that type, so I can´t see nature don´t know how a healthy and sound structure should look like. I understand people can have different preferences, but if function and health should be first priority I fail to see why the old school GSD should be replaced. I would say I feel the complete opposite, what drawns me to the breed was the noble and wolflike apperance, just like a male lion or tiger has an unmatched beauty. Would be really sad if such dogs would be harder and harder to find, especially since it´s a working breed that shouldn´t be produced with a structure that works against it.
by Xeph on 28 March 2013 - 21:03
The back in the breed (for the most part) has never stopped being straight. People seem to confuse "not parallel to the ground" as "not straight". Which is not the case. Utz isn't a bad dog, though he does have quite the nick behidn the withers. I'd still like a deeper bend of stifle in him.
If I had to choose between him and a dog like Klodo Boxberg (who was born 5 years earlier) I'd pick Klodo (who sired Utz). Going beyond that, I would say that the B boys Lierberg were much better than Klodo or Utz
If I had to choose between him and a dog like Klodo Boxberg (who was born 5 years earlier) I'd pick Klodo (who sired Utz). Going beyond that, I would say that the B boys Lierberg were much better than Klodo or Utz
by eddyelevation on 28 March 2013 - 22:03
johan i kinda agree with u.......they might be poorly proportioned but they are beauties.............powerful looking specimens thats for sure.
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