Score book resolution? - Page 5

The AKC dog breed standard????  Who do you think gives AKC the breed standard?  Certainly Not AKC!!!  It is each national breed club that gives it to AKC.  In each AKC confirmation show it is the AKC judge who selects the winners.  Does he/she have to abide by the "AKC" / "GSDCA" standard???  No.  But he/she better select the right style of dog in the ring in front of him/her as dictated by the local breed club  or sure an't going to asked to come back and be paid, etc.  And if one wants to try to win, better breed or buy to meet these judges' ideas.  Round and round we go. 

I do not show in AKC confirmation.  My dogs have never met their standards, but the general public sure loves whatever I have and that makes GSDCA folks mad, as then their dogs are not wanted when J Q Public does the comparison.  And my dogs are smart and always ladies and gentlemen wherever we are.  That is except when I was in real real danger and my dogs let me know by voice or standing quietly waiting to see what the danger was going to do.  In each case the enemy went away without any action on my dogs' part.  True GSD temperament.  

Well the AKC still uses its own Standard, yes ?  Unless your Show folk
have now taken on board the current FCI agreed Standard, based on the
SV Standard.   Find that hard to believe, as the AKC might then need to
accept the degree to which they messed about with the original German
Standard wording - or at least its interpretation - to justify that 'ski slope'.
And it might need to accept that the FCI Standard assumes some degree
of needing Surveys and Working Titles to be properly fulfilled ...

Oh and Kevin, sorry to disillusion you, but you know that sentence about
"ONE club like all other WUSV member countries "  ?   The UK still has two.
Unfortunately.

the wda uses the fci standard.

Hudmutter,

Thank you for that clarification.  I had been told that there were one or two countries that shared our "plight" previously but did not reconcile with current status.

Also, I do not expect or desire the AKC or GSDCA to make any changes to the way they "interpret" the breed standard.  GSDCA represents the  interests of its membership well.

As I advocate we do with our dues paying members at the UScA and others with similar beliefs.

Pretty simple stuff, really....

Respectfully,

Kevin Nance

Sitasmom,

Then WDA need only gain WUSV recognition.

At that point there would be no "scorebook issue."

Which still begs the question - Why on earth would the WUSV recognize GSDCA as a member when they scorn the SV standard?

My guess is we both know the answer(s).

Kevin

the last page of this month's GSDCA magazine was amazing..........
the article was all about how the GSD is supposed to be an all around dog, not just a dog that trots aimlessly around in circles in a show ring. how the health and structure must support all type of work. and how breeders that hide issues in their breeding programs will be the death of the breed.....the issue was also about the nationals and much of the issue was about agility, rally, herding, and tracking finalists.......also schutzhund club events were also listed in the events section...
i loved it!

the wda has long been working to improve the breed from the bottom up - the GSDCA has been slowly accepting this (as proof with this article), and eventually maybe the AKC will also. its a very slow process, but gains are being made.

Sitasmom,

You just received a cookie for your efforts from the biggest dog in town.

Keep being "good" and maybe the GSDCA will "allow" you and the WDA to continue to play under their auspice.

But, only if you recognize your subservient status and don't interfere (too much) with their stated objectives.

Don't believe me?  Then try going to your parent club and demand they issue you a scorebook and recognize the German SV standard alongside their own.

Again, nothing against GSDCA; they serve their membership exceedingly well.

But, for my part, I do not wish to operate under their encumbrance.

Nor do I wish to change them or "force" them in to relationships for which they are disinclined.

I wish you shared that respect....
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Best,

Kevin

JA amendment only increases GSDCA membership.
Last two years (Dallas and Indianapolis) I participated in USA Sieger Shows with my SV membership card. This year entry form states you have to be UScA or GSDCA member in order to participate.
So UScA is forcing me to get a GSDCA membership in order to show my dogs. (obviously my SV membership is not good enough anymore).
I would really hope that UScA board members would reconsider and change their requirements....
At this point I really do not know what to do yet, I am leaning more towards not showing my dogs at all! 
Who is the winner?

Seby,

It is not about making a "winner."
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It is all about joining the breed club of your choice that best represents your interests.  And, for both the GSDCA and UScA leadership to represent their members' interests as stated in their respective bylaws.

However, those stated standards are very different.  So different, in fact that "reconcilliation" is neither desirable nor necessary for either organization.

Both may prosper unbegrudgingly by the other.

Best to you and hopefully see you in Geneva.

Kevin

Kevin,

I never pay attention neither I read any of bylaws. It does not matter to me, I will still do my thing (breed and train according to SV standard) and nobody will change that.
Among UScA members there are plenty of breeders who are breeding dogs without any standards and against breeding regulations. Even the best written rules will not change that. It is up to individuals to respect GSD standard.

Let's assume my situation; show line person living in Chicago area. Last year we needed 3 breed surveys, of course SV recognized. There was absolutely none available in my area from UScA club. Heck North Central region did not have any show at all last year! So please tell me.... what really UScA has to offer to me??