CZECH LINE HIP SCORES - Page 5

This is the sort of response I wanted ,loads of good information,different views from different people,I would like the information to keep flowing in,thanks very much again for your input.

daryll , I dont know where you get these charts , but this one is antique and not correct
I know of many many dogs being officially evaluated in different countries ,and NOT ONE of these match your chart
this is the  problem with charts and statistics , and people taking this for serious

now you can blame a drunken vet once , bad pictures twice , but if you have many dogs as examples , and none match the chart  , you better loose the chart

You explain then what is antique?  Which scheme is no longer in use, and not to be found in "some" gsd's pedigree?

Every hip certification scheme is done on a scale, good to bad, and these comparisons have been clearly described by myself as NOT transferable because of differing criteria involved.


but if you have many dogs as examples , and none match the chart

What are you even saying?

 

I know of many many dogs being officially evaluated in different countries ,and NOT ONE of these match your chart

Huhhh??  Do you mean the same dog certified by two different schemes?  Like your fast normal dog that got OFA exellent, and your a normal dog that was rated dysplastic?  If you have a point, then make it.

to start with , the dutch ratings on your chart dont exist in that form already for a  long time
secondly I have had  a lot of dogs evaluated in multiple countries  from some even the same set of xrays and the outcome never matchess your chart , furthermore I know of multiple dogs that were sold and again xrayed at the new owners country   , same story there

some examples
czech male  got  hd 2 in czecg , got fastnormal in germany
multiple dogs in holland got HD B in your chart mentioned as transitsional case , all got OFA exelent in the usa
HD C in  holland got   OFA good in USA
dogs with HDb and c got passing rates in england
dogs with C in holland get fastnormal in germany
one dog that didnot pass in holland got zugelassen in germany
 dogs with HD B in holland , got HD A normal in grmany

now like I said these outcomes dont match your chart , so by looking at your chart people are not getting a clear picture of how it really stands

your chart states that anything worst than A normal  in germany and FREE in holland ,will not certify in england

so all showline germanshepherds then must be A normal in england to be breedable , do you believe that yourself

better loose the charts daryll and get some real life experience

ill be glad to send you digital  Xrays of dogs I will have Xrayed in the near future in holland and germany , and you can send them in to OFA  , and you can  make yourself a new chart

Look duke the chart is mostly fine. The problem is most likely with positioning of the dog for the x rays which were done in repeated or during the original x raying. You can not compare same dogs you must compare the same x rays. The grade of hips can change significantly if positioning is even slightly off. I have seen OFA mild HD to turn into OFA good from picture to picture based on even mildly different positioning. That has nothing to do with Daryl's chart. That is why it so important do take best possible picture if you want to get good rating and not to accept even minimally imperfect x ray of the dog.
As far as cheating on hips goes I'd say it is remotely possible ( But easilly detectable by allert buyer)  by sellers but not by the vets or evaluators. There would be hell to pay if that could be proved. People who say that about Czech evaluators think that it is going to stick only because they think that people in Czech there are living on the trees or at best in the caves. The fact is that there is NO, None ,0, zilch difference in the scheme of registering dogs or ability to properly evaluate x rays or quality of title scores of dogs in any country. The reason I am saying this is because I know the level of jealousy within Czech and other countries which absolutely would not permit such cheating. 
It is the same jealousy which make people from Germany saying this about Czech dogs and so on.   I have heard  from some German breeders in order to damage Czech breeders saying that Czech dogs have more this or that disease where Czech dogs do not have such thing and the Old style lines have much stronger immune system then the modern lines whose immune system  is often  much more destroyed by more immunization done for much longer periods of time then in Czech. I am just using this as an example of how ridiculous statements are made  in order to damage reputations of dogs from "the other" country. 
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i have received dogs from both slov. , and ck. the hip ratings all,so far has matched up with ofa. i still have one to go from ck. but i am sure it will to. sometimes a jackleg vet does not know what they are doing and screw it up. i would not go around talking about  another countrys' dogs  or evaluation of them.

look hans , from most dogs I had the SAME pictures evaluated in several countries , the chart is way off , but do as you wish , I know what I know
about cheating , I said that no country has exclusive rights on that , it happens everywere  some people in czech ,I trust , some I dont , but the same goes for germany , holland and belgium

duke, you realize that you can submit the SAME xrays in the SAME country to two different evaluators and get DIFFERENT results?

Anyway, the only reason I revealed the chart was because coincidentally, the range of rating under the BVA is appearantly the same as the Australian, up to 106.  And to show that the supposed British breed average score of 16 to 18 or so isn't really as impressive as it seems from a scale of zero to 106, becuase of being equated to a "transitional case" A2, or B in comparison.

So have fun complaining about something else for a while.

daryll , do you have short term memory problems , I only answered your question , its only few posts back daryll , maybe  you can look it up

if you are happy popping out charts , please feel free to be that way , and have fun training with google and wiki