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by Jenni78 on 31 December 2010 - 01:12
I don't care about nor am I seeking apologies. You did what you felt you should do, Vonissk. What you do w/your dog is not my business.
I only bother trying to make people think for the few people who will actually stop and think and question what they're doing. Most people admittedly don't care enough to even wonder. Even more of them will never do anything with the dog that will demand enough to even notice the difference between a whole, natural dog and an altered dog. While I don't think this is ok, I have to acknowledge that these people are simply ignorant and not malicious, I hope.
I am still unable, however, to comprehend the difficulty in keeping dogs separated. I have some of the craftiest escape artists I have heard of, and yet I manage. I have anywhere from 4-7 dogs typically, and all are intact. Several are used for breeding. I have seen no real difference. "Leave it" still means leave it, whether they're breeders or not. Of course you can't trust them if you're not watching, but that's what real crates are for- not pet crates. Steel or aluminum locked crates are wonderful inventions. I'm not one to call myself a trainer at all, but I do think 99% of the reasons people cite for neutering are matters of management and control. If you don't have verbal control, then use physical control and barriers. I use both...every day. Some days it isn't fun. Some days it isn't convenient. But the day I consider removing parts of my dogs to make them easier to control is the day I get out of working dogs altogether.
Like it never crossed Vonissk's mind to get rid of her dog, it never crossed my mind to take away a body system for the sake of convenience. To each his own; just as those of you who are complacent with neutering and spaying will continue to choose human convenience over the health of the dog, and find ways to rationalize it, I will continue to screen you from my ever-shortening list of folks I'd entrust a dog to. LOL!
Happy New Year everyone!
I only bother trying to make people think for the few people who will actually stop and think and question what they're doing. Most people admittedly don't care enough to even wonder. Even more of them will never do anything with the dog that will demand enough to even notice the difference between a whole, natural dog and an altered dog. While I don't think this is ok, I have to acknowledge that these people are simply ignorant and not malicious, I hope.
I am still unable, however, to comprehend the difficulty in keeping dogs separated. I have some of the craftiest escape artists I have heard of, and yet I manage. I have anywhere from 4-7 dogs typically, and all are intact. Several are used for breeding. I have seen no real difference. "Leave it" still means leave it, whether they're breeders or not. Of course you can't trust them if you're not watching, but that's what real crates are for- not pet crates. Steel or aluminum locked crates are wonderful inventions. I'm not one to call myself a trainer at all, but I do think 99% of the reasons people cite for neutering are matters of management and control. If you don't have verbal control, then use physical control and barriers. I use both...every day. Some days it isn't fun. Some days it isn't convenient. But the day I consider removing parts of my dogs to make them easier to control is the day I get out of working dogs altogether.
Like it never crossed Vonissk's mind to get rid of her dog, it never crossed my mind to take away a body system for the sake of convenience. To each his own; just as those of you who are complacent with neutering and spaying will continue to choose human convenience over the health of the dog, and find ways to rationalize it, I will continue to screen you from my ever-shortening list of folks I'd entrust a dog to. LOL!
Happy New Year everyone!
by beetree on 31 December 2010 - 01:12
RedS... it is something I just recollect, he has been here recently, so maybe he'll bear me out.
by Red Sable on 31 December 2010 - 02:12
Oh, ok, bee thanks.
Jenni, I agree with you, but honestly, I wouldn't buy from a breeder that stipulates what I can and cannot do with my dog. Even though I wouldn't spay or neuter, I don't want a breeder telling me I can't or what I should feed, or where I have to house them, or what I must suppliment them with, who I can sell them to, or whatever.
Alot of things they don't even abide by. But that is another subject.
Jenni, I agree with you, but honestly, I wouldn't buy from a breeder that stipulates what I can and cannot do with my dog. Even though I wouldn't spay or neuter, I don't want a breeder telling me I can't or what I should feed, or where I have to house them, or what I must suppliment them with, who I can sell them to, or whatever.
Alot of things they don't even abide by. But that is another subject.
by Jenni78 on 31 December 2010 - 02:12
I also won't sell to people who don't read all of what I wrote, so you're out on 3 counts, RS, LOL! 
by SportySchGuy on 31 December 2010 - 02:12
The biggest reason I want my own dogs unaltered is because I LIKE the way they are and how they act. If I didnt like them the way they came then I wouldnt remove bodily systems to make them the way I wanted.
by Red Sable on 31 December 2010 - 11:12
Well, thankfully I know where to get great dogs without all the BS.
However, back to the subject, does anyone know if spaying or neutering early screws up the thyroid? A gentlemen I know spayed his female and she gained ten pounds in a month. No change in exercise ( and she gets alot!) or food) I know some say it doesn't make them fatter, but I disagree.
I didn't read all the links, so if someone mentioned it, I apologize.
However, back to the subject, does anyone know if spaying or neutering early screws up the thyroid? A gentlemen I know spayed his female and she gained ten pounds in a month. No change in exercise ( and she gets alot!) or food) I know some say it doesn't make them fatter, but I disagree.
I didn't read all the links, so if someone mentioned it, I apologize.
by SportySchGuy on 31 December 2010 - 12:12
by Jenni78 on 31 December 2010 - 15:12
RS, again, back to the reading, lol. Quit assuming and jumping to conclusions and read the words on the page. It's in that link I posted a page or so ago.
Absolutely, it screws up the thyroid. What you noticed is not coincidence, regardless of what the ostriches and sheep might say!
People, there is a reason we give humans replacement hormones when they have reproductive issues. It is a VERY important body system!
Absolutely, it screws up the thyroid. What you noticed is not coincidence, regardless of what the ostriches and sheep might say!
People, there is a reason we give humans replacement hormones when they have reproductive issues. It is a VERY important body system!
by Red Sable on 31 December 2010 - 18:12
Hey, I said I didn't read the links, ( I skim) but yes, I agree. Mind you, my thyroid is screwed up and I still have all my parts.
Diet screwed it up.
We'll have to write an article on myths of the myths.
Diet screwed it up.
We'll have to write an article on myths of the myths.
by Ninja181 on 31 December 2010 - 20:12
My neighbor had his dog neutered and now I've noticed he howls at a much higher pitch. Just sayin
Poor thing.
Poor thing.
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