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by alboe2009 on 09 November 2010 - 05:11
Here are a few things to consider;
The first being, it depends on where you're living. You'll have town laws, city laws, county laws and state laws. You could even have town or city ordinance violations............. It just depends on where you are located. Next are the legalities and how they are interpreted. Both by the citizens and the law makers. And the ones enforcing those laws. For my location, as a former police officer, "trespassing" is not a crime until a few things take place: 1. A 'NO TRESPASSING" sign must be posted, or 2. The homeowner/business owner or an agent of the two mentioned has verbally/written directed whomever to not trespass. And for certain situations paperwork will be documented. Best thing to do is go to your court commissioner, (or equivalant) and see firsthand the "VERBAGE' that is outlined for "NO TRESPASSING".
Another point for the home/dog owner to remember is ARTICULATION! The verbage you use to explain what happened if indeed a bite (or two) took place. And another point to remember, I would tell defendants and their lawyers............... "IGNORANCE IS NO DEFENSE" SAYING THAT YOU NOT KNOWING OR DIDN'T KNOW (depends on situation) ETC; ETC. WOULD NOT SAVE THEIR BUTTS. I can't remember if you can or can not bring up "charges" outlined by the "Commissioners' Manual" on the internet but take a few moments and go to your courthouses, speak to your commissioners and explain your concerns. Your law enforcement agencies, should have some sort of "Community Policing" efforts and you can talk there? Pull up some of the K9 units, talk with them. They would have a ton of info. Some of them would have the same dillema at their houses . They can't be protected just because they're police dogs?
Hope that helps somewhat?
The first being, it depends on where you're living. You'll have town laws, city laws, county laws and state laws. You could even have town or city ordinance violations............. It just depends on where you are located. Next are the legalities and how they are interpreted. Both by the citizens and the law makers. And the ones enforcing those laws. For my location, as a former police officer, "trespassing" is not a crime until a few things take place: 1. A 'NO TRESPASSING" sign must be posted, or 2. The homeowner/business owner or an agent of the two mentioned has verbally/written directed whomever to not trespass. And for certain situations paperwork will be documented. Best thing to do is go to your court commissioner, (or equivalant) and see firsthand the "VERBAGE' that is outlined for "NO TRESPASSING".
Another point for the home/dog owner to remember is ARTICULATION! The verbage you use to explain what happened if indeed a bite (or two) took place. And another point to remember, I would tell defendants and their lawyers............... "IGNORANCE IS NO DEFENSE" SAYING THAT YOU NOT KNOWING OR DIDN'T KNOW (depends on situation) ETC; ETC. WOULD NOT SAVE THEIR BUTTS. I can't remember if you can or can not bring up "charges" outlined by the "Commissioners' Manual" on the internet but take a few moments and go to your courthouses, speak to your commissioners and explain your concerns. Your law enforcement agencies, should have some sort of "Community Policing" efforts and you can talk there? Pull up some of the K9 units, talk with them. They would have a ton of info. Some of them would have the same dillema at their houses . They can't be protected just because they're police dogs?
Hope that helps somewhat?
by angusmom on 01 December 2010 - 04:12
we have 2 signs that have a silhouette of a gsd and the word crossing and "german shepherd crossing". angus has a huge bark, but he's the sweetest beast, the mutt follows claire, our mali/gsd x, who hits the gate or fence and will NOT let anyone in if we're not home. the meter guys just ring the doorbell, step back about 10 ft and ask to be let in the yard. if no one is home, the either look over the neighbors wall or "guess". we've had to have people come out again (rarely) to read the meter because the "guess" was so off the mark. but we havent had anyone come in with out someone home. maybe we're lucky or maybe cuz it's california? dunno. but i made sure our signs were NOT any kind of admission of owning "dangerous" dogs.

by Mindhunt1 on 01 December 2010 - 19:12
If I remember correctly, "Cava Canem", the "Beware of the Dog" in latin, was used to warn people that there was a dog on the premises, not necessarily because the dog was dangerous. My attorney friend told me that I MUST take every precaution to protect my dogs from trouble (i.e. stupid people) by properly training the dogs and erecting whatever barriers I can that will keep trouble out such as fencing and locks on the fences, kennels, etc. He also said to never put up "Beware of dog" signs or any type of sign signalling I have a protection trained dog. I am not to put stickers on my vehicles such as "beware, K9s" or some of the other stickers I have seen that signal I have a trained dog for the reasons nonacona60 stated. My attorney friend said court is all about who has the better "sales person" for their version of events and that any time you go into court, common sense does not enter into it.

by MaggieMae on 01 December 2010 - 19:12
Good information -- thanks. (Making Note to get a "No Trespassing" sign)......

by remione1 on 01 December 2010 - 22:12
"my protection dog came out. He of course ran to the guy and was doing a perfect bark & hold. I told the fool to stand still and what does he do but draw his arm back as if the hit the dog. Oops, fortunately Q remembered the lesson about out and return to the handler which he did beautifully. I tell this idiot once again to stand still while I confine the dog - of course he decided to ignore me and started towards me. This time Q got his shorts which he proceded to remove leaving the guy in his underwear."
I'm more curious why your "protection" dog left him with just scratches & only bit his shorts when he was coming at you?
He "drew his arm back as if to hit the dog" & all your dog did was scratch him & you outed him?
Sorry I'm confused.......
by Love My Canine on 01 December 2010 - 23:12
You are lucky Judy. Had this been my dog, this guy would be in the hospital. LOCK ALL GATES. Although this person was stupid,you showed a lack of judgement that almost cost your dog his life. You knew people were coming too your house and the gate was not locked??????????? If you had a truely civil dog you would be in court and your dog would be in the ground.

by Mindhunt1 on 02 December 2010 - 01:12
I miss my Loki in a situation like this. He was so well trained in obedience and protection. He really was an excellent example of "threat recognition and assessment". You could see the wheels turning in his head so to speak because he assessed every incident and neither under- or over-reacted no matter the situation. My other two are great dogs but don't critical think their way through such situations, they would bite. This is why I try to never leave my dogs open to an incident where they would be on the sorry end of the situation unless there was no other choice and then I would be in the same boat as them
Again, just my way of taking care, not trying to say anything bad about anyone else

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