GSD FRAUD - Page 5

Oh, Bazza, I have people coming in for about 2 weeks at the end of the month from the U.K.   Maybe I will "pick up" some New "Terminology" - 

Spoken like a True Dumb-Ass.    Redundant.

Ok, I am not writing this post to convince anyone to get a Shiloh or even to get you to like them. There has been a lot of misinformation tossed around on this thread about Shilohs, so I would like to tell you of my personal experience with a Shiloh.

I have been a GSD lover and fan since I was a kid. I got my first GSD when I was 10 years old or so. I've had both German working line and showline GSDs. I always said that a GSd was the only dog for me- nothing can compare. My German showline dog died at age 14 in November 2007. I didn't have time for anything like Schutzhund at the time and 6 months after my beloved Bruno died I decided to go ahead and get a rescue GSD- a long coat female. I was not looking for a second dog, but last year a friend of mine in NC knew someone who had Shilohs and died in a plane crash. My friend was trying to place the dogs. Knowing what I had heard and read about Shilohs here on this board I had no interest in adopting one. But my friend pressured me (in a nice way) to consider adopting one of the dogs and finally my husband went to see him. Long story short we adopted him and have NO regrets.
 
He is VERY smart, has a wonderful dispostion, a great personality, a very stable temperament, is gun-sure, is very loyal and would protect in a real life situation if the need was there. He is also a great tracker. He is a perfect family dog. He is also a certified Therapy Dog.  When we got him we had his hips x-rayed and the vet said they would probably go OFA good. We had him checked out thoroughly- chest x-ray, urinalysis, fecal, blood work. He is 5 years old and everything came back perfect. He is very healthy.

Out of the last three GSDs I've had, I had one with hip and elbow dysplasia, one with allergies and one with seizures and allergies. Two of these were pink papered German line dogs with excellent pedigrees. We've had no problems with our Shiloh.

Now, as far as size goes (someone mentioned them being no larger than GSDs), he is 28 inches and 105 lbs, a little on the low end for a Shiloh, but never the less he looks enormous next to our 25", 80 lb. female GSD. Not the best pictures below, but you can at least get an idea of the size difference between the two.  As you can see, he does not have a Collie nose as someone mentioned.



Sunsilver has given you a wealth of information about the Shiloh history (the true facts- not hearsay) and I don't really think there is anything I could possibly add except that based on my experience and knowledge,  I think Tina Barber has developed a wonderful dog. One day her dogs will gain full recognition and she is waiting for the right time to move forward. A breed is not fully developed overnight.

I would like to add it is interesting that many on this board get so angry about the breeders who breed dogs who can't do Schutzhund, yet here is someone, Tina Barber, who went in a different direction, trying to develop a separate breed, yet maintaining a lot of the wonderful qualities of the GSD, but more suitable overall as a family pet.  For the average family who loves most of the qualities of a GSD, but doesn't want  a sport dog or high drive, high energy dog, a Shiloh is an excellent choice.  Again, I am not trying to persuade anyone into liking this breed or wanting one, but it's just something to thing about.  Again, I've owned GSDs all my life and I always said I would never have a other breed of dog. Well, I should never say never. This Shiloh of ours is the perfect family dog.  Sure, if I wanted to go back into Schutzhund, a GSD would be my only consideration.

New breeds are being developed all the time. Every time I watch a dog show on TV, there is something new breed in the show ring. Most things in life change and/or evolve over time - it's a part of life. The GSD of today certainly looks nothing like the dog of Max's day.  Not to mention there are German working lines, German Show-lines, American lines... and the list goes on. Just something to think about....

starrcharr
 I agree. What would people say if Tina would breed GSD and tryed to make them huge and with low drive. Here she does separate breed . Thus : Be happy. I like what she does.
Prager Hans

The ONLY thing that bothers me about what she does is the baloney line about breeding old-school GSDs. To me that is just a lame sales-pitch that plays on people's sentimental attachment to some badly-bred dog from their childhood. It's not really an honest attempt to breed a better wheel, as it were. WHAT giant hairy GSDs from the olden days? Sure, to all little kids, all GSDs look gigantic and hairy, so it's that misconception that she plays to. 

It is my understanding that she is talking more about the structure of the dogs. Sunsiilver, if you are out there, maybe you can shed some light on this :)

If she hasn't figured out that there's such a thing as working lines that don't walk on their hocks, then she is either ignorant or pulling yet ANOTHER con job.