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by Red Sable on 09 March 2010 - 21:03

Wow, so it was prey, had alot of us fooled me thinks.

Okay, the next one is definitley defensive barking

and I'm going to say, your helper was putting a little too much pressure on him, as he looked like at times he was near avoidance.

When the helper backed off there, I'd say yes, the dog was trying very hard to bite him or the bamboo(?) stick, when he came on strong, the dog stayed in the truck.

I'm waiting for Jim's take on this.

by Ibrahim on 09 March 2010 - 21:03

I too noticed the dog concentrated on the stick more than the agitator himself.

Ibrahim

by Ibrahim on 09 March 2010 - 21:03

Question: In training a dog for protection do trainers teach the dog to concentrate on the tool only or the threat-person only or both?

Ibrahim

by Jenni78 on 09 March 2010 - 21:03

Red Sable, I don't think it was just "prey." He was performing as she'd trained him (to bark) but the consfusion/inconsistency was due to the ball...far different than a straight prey/play show. I will say that I think it's nearly impossible to tell much more than any of us did from 15 seconds. I think many were closer than they think.

by Ibrahim on 09 March 2010 - 21:03

Yes, some analyzed the various parks and tones perfectly but remaining part of knowing the cause was mere guessing and that is why it was interesting.
Ibrahim

by LAVK-9 on 09 March 2010 - 21:03

Yep Jenni he was wondering" what are you doing mom why am I in here and you aren't giving me my ball!"I haven't done it so much with him in the car but more so free and sitting in front of me.(prey/bark and hold) He kept looking at my hand and where his ball was.At the end I did give it to him.

(yes many did get part or most of what was going on evn it was a short clip it isn't easy to know when you aren't there to see the situation and you don't know the dog)Dar is a Scooby Doo.lol

by leciesters doghandler on 09 March 2010 - 21:03

i have not said nothing yet but just reading and going back and yes after getting it wrong i went back and yes i can see it now and also when are you going to say the answer two the 2nd clip i take wait anylonger i just want to know lol

clint

by beetree on 09 March 2010 - 21:03

Now, just suppose he was in your car while you-- LAV, went into a store, then I showed up with a ball in my hand, and he did that same thing. I still wouldn't put my hand through his car window!

You are one lucky girl to have such a hunky doggie defender.

Now, wouldn't tying a dog in a car and agitating the dog offer the same kinds of training aspects of table training?

by LAVK-9 on 09 March 2010 - 21:03

Beetree-I have never done table training. I have worked a dog I use to have off the top of a car hood before so I guess that could be considered the same. Curious to see what Jim as to say about the second video. I wish my friend would have had the balls to no have the stick in his hand and just done hand teases. Maybe one of the K-9 cops here will do it with Dar this weekend and I can post that and see the difference in how he is. My friend that did the agitation said that when he has passed by my truck and I wasn't there that Dar hits the window and tries to get him. So I guess he is a better car alarm then the ones that talk to you and tell you that you are standing too close to the vehicle.lol

by Ninja181 on 09 March 2010 - 23:03

In the second video, at first the Dog appears to be warning him ( this is my vehicle don't come any closer ) as the subject gets closer the bark intensity and loudness increases bigtime.

When the Dog lunged and got partially out the window the subject was dead meat (had the Dog not been restrained) IMO.

He got sufficent warning, he kept coming and agitating more and I believe the dog would have definetly bit him.

In the first video LAVK-9 said that I nailed what was really happening. I will tell you the biggest clue was the double bark, most of the barking was in groups of two barks. If a GSD wants something most of the time they will bark twice. He wanted out of the truck and he wanted his ball. If they are outside and want to come in they will bark twice. Pay attention to your GSD Dog and see if they bark this way when they want something. I've never owned any other breed so I don't know if other breeds bark twice, but I've owned GSDs for over 40 years and they all barked the same way when they wanted something. Must be in the DNA. LOL

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