NASS 2009 Live - Page 5

Did anyone expect anything different, sad that these dogs even got pronounced let alone VA rating, and these dogs will be bred over and over. I hardly believe the comment "believe it was mostly a training issue" how about typical because of temperment.

Denise

Oh yes!
There were alot of us at the show who expected something different - in the female class as well as in the male working class.

24kgsd thasnk you so much for putting this wonderful picture on the website. This will remind me of a wonderful time I had with a very special dog who is as good in the ring as on the working field and in the home. Thanks for trusting me Robin and Carlos. I appreciate alot that I had the chance to train Cuervo!

 

Denise,
With all due respect, you weren't there and you did not see them.  It IS a fact that show line dogs are not trained as well and it would be nothing more than nieve to think otherwise. I do give you the fact that it is hard to distinguish between the two, but it is all MY opinion. I have BOTH working and show lines and have seen these facts for many years now.  I truly hope that one of the reasons the VA 1 bitch won was because of her nice bite work.  Yes, there is hope!

I would like to take exception to the comment about Nova Kuckucksland.  I was at a trial today and spoke to the front half helper at NASS and asked about Nova and what was stated above is absolutely incorrect.  She had full grips and didn't even come close to leaving the helper at any point in the exercise.  I have seen this dog work myself and she is absolutely correct and unwavering in her bitework.  This dog is structurally and temperamentally excellent.
Judy

I saw Emilio in St Louis I think two years ago and he was very good, one of the better males in my opinion. Wish there were videos, without them who really knows? Opinion is always based on personal experience and subjectivity.

Happy to hear another female with good work won, in previous years I was very impressed with Clarissa Blue-Iris, what a bitch!

edit: Just took a peek at Landra in the database, WOW! Just gorgeous, not extreme, athletic looking with great pigment and a beautiful, expressive head. Interesting lines, too! Who owns her and who are they breeding her with? (Not that I could afford one, I'm sure, puppy prices in the US are highway robbery!)

Thank you for all of the nice thinks about Landra she lives out here in CA .

Hi Judy K,
My notes could always be wrong. That's why I state that it is just my opinion.
I think I do remember that the trouble with Nova was in the back half/courage test. If my memory serves me correctly she started the bark and hold and then decided she was done. I believe the handler yelled and got her back so that she did not fail. But AGAIN!!!! my memory and notes could be wrong.
All,
Yes, all things are subjective. I am a VERY hard judge of bite work and tend to look at things more on the Schutzhund standard than show standard. I wish they were the same but they are not. This is seen not only in the bite work it's self but in the heeling. MOST show bite work does not require the dog to heel between the excersizes and allows TREMENDOUS  handler help both vocally as well as physically. But most Schutzhund enthusiasts DO heel the dog off leash between the excersizes and a handful of the dogs at the show did also. The vast majority of the show handlers do not have the dog heel and they are barely under control.  This may also have something to do with the fact that some handlers are not the dog's owner/trainer??

There were some really nice dogs at the NASS.

I was impressed with the working female Yatta Vom Mittelwest, hard biting machine she is. Knocked the helper to the ground. way to go Mittelwest. Hopefully someone got some good photos of that.

The picture above is cute, Gina was so sad to leave Cuervo behind. It was a tear jerker.

24k, great shot. ( Hi Julie)

Nick