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by Two Moons on 04 November 2009 - 18:11
Teaching the fight, what a human with hands is capable of is best done in play while the dog is a pup.
Its a good place to teach the out as well. Hell its the best time to teach many things.
Later...... I suggest the muzzle, or full gear head to toe.
Legends know these things.
Yeah everyone have a nice one.
Its a good place to teach the out as well. Hell its the best time to teach many things.
Later...... I suggest the muzzle, or full gear head to toe.
Legends know these things.
Yeah everyone have a nice one.
by Held on 04 November 2009 - 19:11
Too Moons,
is this according to Koehler or according to you? Have a nice one.
by Two Moons on 04 November 2009 - 23:11
Held,
Is what according to Koehler?
Be specific.
How I raise a pup is pretty much my own way.
What is it you want to know?
Moons.
Is what according to Koehler?
Be specific.
How I raise a pup is pretty much my own way.
What is it you want to know?
Moons.
by Mindhunt on 04 November 2009 - 23:11
Jim, thanks for the mini-lesson, well articulated and with useful real life examples. I have two good friends who are experienced K9 trainers (25+ years each) and have trained many successful K9s over the years as well as problem-solved K9/handler issues. They both have different approaches and I have learned quite a bit from them. Yours was a nice review. Sounds like you have a good dog. Snaiper, GARD, OldSkool, good info (apologize if I forgot anyone who gave good advice, I enjoyed reading it).
We do everything we can to challenge the dogs but know matter what, there is always that occasion when the dog won't out because of adrenalin or pain, whatever, the important thing is can handler and the dog recover and continue to work well? Sounds like you have all have that under control.
I love to watch the dogs problem solve during novel situations like multiple officer take down of a suspect with the suspect fighting, you can see the dog track the bad guy and figure when its safe to grab on (yes, everyone is protected), we've even trained dogs to go into the water after suspects, sprayed hoses at them during chases and take downs, thrown things at them, argued in front of them to see how they handle the escalation, do team take downs (2 dogs), whatever is novel and might throw the dog off stride (without damage to the dogs). Anything to shake up the routine and get the dogs thinking and problem solving. We work on obedience, especially as a firm foundation, but when the dog needs to think for him/herself (i.e. handler in trouble, etc), we know the dog can and we trust them to make the right choice, like your dog did jumping out of the car to help but not bite
(I would have paid to see that picture, dog's head on suspect's shoulder
). I do enjoy when good information is shared for educational purposes. Keep it coming.
We do everything we can to challenge the dogs but know matter what, there is always that occasion when the dog won't out because of adrenalin or pain, whatever, the important thing is can handler and the dog recover and continue to work well? Sounds like you have all have that under control.
I love to watch the dogs problem solve during novel situations like multiple officer take down of a suspect with the suspect fighting, you can see the dog track the bad guy and figure when its safe to grab on (yes, everyone is protected), we've even trained dogs to go into the water after suspects, sprayed hoses at them during chases and take downs, thrown things at them, argued in front of them to see how they handle the escalation, do team take downs (2 dogs), whatever is novel and might throw the dog off stride (without damage to the dogs). Anything to shake up the routine and get the dogs thinking and problem solving. We work on obedience, especially as a firm foundation, but when the dog needs to think for him/herself (i.e. handler in trouble, etc), we know the dog can and we trust them to make the right choice, like your dog did jumping out of the car to help but not bite
(I would have paid to see that picture, dog's head on suspect's shoulder
). I do enjoy when good information is shared for educational purposes. Keep it coming.by olskoolgsds on 05 November 2009 - 03:11
Nothing takes the place of a dog biting flesh, nothing takes the place of someone trying to do serious harm to the dog, or really involved in the fight, these are all true principles. It is also a true principle that the more real you make it, the more you engage a dog and challenge him to the limits, as far as you can go and as creative as you can be and with as much attitude as you can bring, the better it is in preperation for the real deal. The transition will be less traumatic.
Too many trainers out there in private sector and even LE that do not challenge the dog to the max. Too many not using muzzles, hidden equipment, true AGITATION (in other words piss him off) a wide range of scenerios or as we used to say situationals and the dog goes limp in a pursuit or defense. I like hot dogs and that means leaving them hot. And IMO this is common sense, not rocket science. Toooooo many methods, formulas, and mechanical means and not enough heart in the work, JMO.
Too many trainers out there in private sector and even LE that do not challenge the dog to the max. Too many not using muzzles, hidden equipment, true AGITATION (in other words piss him off) a wide range of scenerios or as we used to say situationals and the dog goes limp in a pursuit or defense. I like hot dogs and that means leaving them hot. And IMO this is common sense, not rocket science. Toooooo many methods, formulas, and mechanical means and not enough heart in the work, JMO.
by olskoolgsds on 05 November 2009 - 03:11
Mindhunt,
I should have read your post before posting. You said it far better than I . I love this type of training, this is what it is all about. This is what gets the blood flowing.
I should have read your post before posting. You said it far better than I . I love this type of training, this is what it is all about. This is what gets the blood flowing.
by Mindhunt on 05 November 2009 - 05:11
by Mindhunt on 05 November 2009 - 05:11
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