Ewo Von Heksterhorst--PLEASE COMMENT

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by PowerHaus on 08 September 2009 - 16:09

Molly,

I think my point about the OFA Fair hips is that I BELIEVE that Ewo's poor hips ARE NOT environmental (as the stud owner has stated) but genetic!

Also, while OFA Fair is passing Ewo himself does not have a OFA or PinnHip rating....his owner has already said that his vet said one hip does not look good. The only reason for the stud dog owner NOT to send in for a for sure hip rating is because the hips ARE most likely bad.......ignorance is bliss, after all!

One more point to think about is that the female that he was bred too has a few a2 hip ratings within the first 2 or 3 generations! While the pedigree's might look nice and well thought out the hip status and possible production was not considered at all!

I am not as educated as you, Molly, but I DO have one bitch out of his first litter so the things I point out here are just my frank thoughts and do not benefit my female for me to bring them to light either!

Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com

by eichenluft on 08 September 2009 - 16:09

Right - I don't remember any mention of OFA Fair - the owner of the stud dog in question said himself one hip was questionable, so no passing rating - IMO it doesn't matter if the owner thinks it <might> be genetic or environmental - fact is, the dog's hips didn't pass, so IMO he shouldn't be used for breeding - and if he is used for breeding, buyer beware - there are plenty of stud dogs and breeding females with passing hips <at the least> to choose a breeder/litter from. Why in the world someone would even consider buying a pup from a parent with no hip rating, let alone one with a known "bad hip" is beyond my comprehension.

molly

by PowerHaus on 08 September 2009 - 16:09

Rita,

Thank you for posting! I love to hear from breeders and their stand point.

Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com

by walker on 08 September 2009 - 17:09

Vickie and molly, I dont know If you have a mental block or what. Because ewo's one hip did not pass, THAT DOES NOT , DOES NOT, AND DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE IS POSSITIVE FOR PRODUCING BAD HIPS. If I see in the future that he produces more than a sprinkling of bad or worse trash hips, then I would have reason to not breed. In the mean time quit bringing reproach on me and a very good dog named Ewo. I will continue breed good dogs and sell at very reasonable prices and many people will continue to be glad I did, Dispite your permission or blessiings. Dale

by eichenluft on 08 September 2009 - 18:09

That's good then, breed your dysplastic dog because you "think" he "probably" won't produce the same bad hips - and wait until many litters of puppies are produced AND GROWN, meanwhile continuing to breed him - so that you can figure out AT THE EXPENSE OF THOSE DOGS AND OWNERS OF THOSE DOGS - that he may not produce the same or worse hips than he has. Good breeding plan! That is called irresponsible breeding practises. I can only hope the people looking at puppies, and the female's owners, check into hips/health before buying or breeding to your dog. What a shame!

molly

by PowerHaus on 08 September 2009 - 18:09

Dale,

You can justify it anyway you want.......still in the end it doesn't make it right! I don't think anyone is trying to be "hip extremest" or whatever you said. Just trying to be EDUCATED about BETTERING the breed, which it is apparent that you don't give two shits about.....only selling puppies and collecting stud fees! Did you even look at the bitch's pedigree and see that 2 dogs very close up in her pedigree have a2 hips?????????

Bitch's father is a2 and has a ZW of 93(don't have a ZW for the bitch her self or her mother but Sid haus Grimm is pretty close in the pedigree too and I think his ZW is over 100,,,,,,,,like 103 I think)! Then add that to Ewo's hip status (that you refuse to get OFAed or PinnHiped).......equates to a litter I would never touch and some puppy buyers who are going to be heart broken!

Dale, Why don't you put all the hubbub to rest and get a PinnHip or OFA on Ewo.....PROVE that he has passable hips.....hips that are breedworthy! Unless of course, you are hiding something.......again.....ignorance is BLISS! If you don't know that he has bad hips then he must not! THAT'S a good form of reasoning!

If I EVER were to breed my Ewo daughter it would probably be to something with Aly Vordersteinwald! Do you see the reasoning here????? To IMPROVE the hips....isn't that what we are supposed to be about as breeders.....improving the breed? Doing it justice?

I tell you when I am ready to "make my mark" on the breed I want it to be a GOOD mark......not a black one!

Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com

by PowerHaus on 08 September 2009 - 18:09

Dale,

I think YOU are the one with the mental block! You gotta have 2 good, as in passing, hips to function properly to be breedworthy at the least! Why is THAT so hard for you to understand? Most all EDUCATED breeders who do not hide their head in the sand do?

Did you do his elbows? What is their status?

Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com

by vom howeser on 08 September 2009 - 18:09

How early in age are you supposed to have hips and elbows x-rayed?

Matt.

by RDH on 08 September 2009 - 18:09

WOW! well, lets see here where to start.....Molly your above post address to me THANKS. All the qualities you mentioned is what I was looking for the whole time (especially pricing with the economy the way it is)...the only thing holding back is the hip issue.

Anyways, guys i called one of the Top rated vets in my area that handles OFA certifications. The doc said there is a chance if i was to purchase a pup from this litter it will or may have hip issues 30%-40% chance. He said he will call me later today or tomorrow to discuss this matter more indepth because I wanted to explain things more thoroughly to him about the pedigree,ratings, and training the dogs have. I bet the doc is not familiar with SV rating but we will see. The receptionist on the phone said there is no such thing as environmental HD. So I will have to ask the doc about that whole ordeal as well as training/pp work, etc so he understands the whole picture here. I want everything to be accurate before knocking anyone. This conversation will finally put my whole mind at ease about the situation and will be my deal breaker period so I can move on based on what is said when I get the phone call.

Thanks for all ya'lls help. I didn't know that this thread was going to get this many replies...amazing lol

by Wuyts Rita on 08 September 2009 - 20:09

Oh forgot to tell,
both parents Aras en Flipsy they had HD/A SCH3 end KKL end DNA tested
greetings Rita

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