Need advise on sold dead sperm. - Page 5

 Sounds to me like this dog has acute prostatis. It can be treated, if caught in time.
It's their loss if they don't treat him, because they'll lose the value of his breedings, and also, if they let it go, the infection may cause scarring in the testicles, ending his reproductive life for good. If caught in time, these dogs can be cleaned up and rehabilitated, brought back to full fertility.. really amazing.
Prostatitis is not uncommon in males, and most males will have it to some degree as they get older.. The reason is that the testosterone is not metabolized completely, as it is in a younger male, and the waste products have estrogenic qualities and continue to circulate in the bloodstream, causing inflammation of the prostate. For pet males, the sure cure is castration.. no testes > no testosterone > no prostatitis. Prostatitis also can cause difficulty in defecation.. flattened- looking or ribbon- like stools.  I'm sure it can also affect urinary flow (diminished). 
My advice would be to collect the male and send the ejaculate in a sterile container to any laboratory for a culture and sensitivity test. Treat with antibiotics, according to the test results, and then maintain the dog on a good diet, preferably with a zinc supplement (should be an amino acid chelate, not a gluconate), and vitamin E couldn't hurt, but the zinc really can help.. healthy dogs have a relatively high level of zinc in their prostate fluids, and this could be for the bacteriostatic qualities of zinc, or perhaps there is an electrolytic property / function of zinc in prostate fluid. 
Now, here is the catch.. It will take two months for the dog to regain fertility, because the sperm cells are "haploid" and the process of producing these motile cells takes that long! But, if treated, he could come back like a champ. 
The bacterial infection is probably opportunistic in nature.. not the primary cause of the problem.. Nevertheless it must be treated or the prostatitis will not resolve by itself. 
Never let your stud dog sit on a wet / dirty floor, or a hot surface. Inflammation or overheating of the scrotum (from external heat source or staph infection and skin inflammation) can also kill sperm, almost instantly.. by the time you discover the problem, it's already too late. The dog can and probably will recover, but all your breeding plans for him for the next two months are ruined. Same rule applies.. wait two months. 
Blood in ejaculate in small quantities is not so uncommon.. may be subacute prostatitis. Keep an eye on it, is all. When dogs are licking / sniffing the bitch and showing interest, but not quite up to breeding, suspect prostatitis. Yes, it is very uncomfortable for the dogs. 
These people are probably dumbasses who don't know how to manage their stud dogs. 

 Hey, no offense.. I didn't read the whole thread. Sounds like this is getting real personal! I don't want to take sides.. just general information I gave, but I can tell you that I bought a stud dog, years ago, with acute prostatitis and he had no live sperm.. just a few dead ones.. ejaculate looked like dirty dishwater.. stupid vet tech put it in a bitch, anyway (unbelievable). I worked with old Dr Giardina to get this dog right, again.. so many years ago. I was the one who designed the course of treatment, and directed the vet.. He thought I was crazy, but boy was he surprised when it worked so well. That dog went from sterile to a real stud, in two months. If you ever get the chance to buy an older stud dog at a good price because the owner thinks he's finished, you can try this and you'll probably find you got a heck of a bargain. Just remember to wait that full two months after treatment. 

 By the way, something was said about "the blood was spun out".. sorry.. I have frozen a lot of semen, myself and centrifuging to concentrate the cells to the bottom of the vial is part of the process. End result, you get a little white "pellet" at the bottom of the vial, barely larger than a mustard seed. Included are any other cells in the ejaculate which get in, including some blood cells. You cannot spin out the blood. It goes right to the bottom with the sperm cells.
So..
This is bullshit. Someone doesn't know what they are talking about. And it is not uncommon to see a slight pinkish tinge, by the way, when sperm are frozen or shipped fresh / cooled, but it would never be "A LOT" of blood, because the blood would be coming from the prostate, and the prostate fluid is the third and final fraction, which is not collected. You will get some prostate fluid, yes, but not much.. most of what is shipped (in volume) is extender. 
And, if the vet doesn't know what they are doing and they run too fast of a centrifuge process, they will stress and possibly kill a lot of sperm cells. Everything must be really controlled and perfect. Sperm cells are extraordinarily sensitive to any mistakes in handling / shipping. Even if the collection didn't make it to the destination live, the cause might be handling. 

Pretty good stuff.  Thanks.  DDR-DSH.  It doesn't sound like he was treated or cured.  She posted she was going to stop offering him for shipped chilled semen.   As soon as she has time.  He is a nice dog and so lets hope he does get  better.  Thanks for clearing up the debate about the discomfort.  I obviously am not a vet and am only relaying the info from Straws to Paws.  My breeding specialist vet has been very helpful and no she did not put it the female.  I always have a brucellosis test and require a negative one from the stud.  Both time it was not supplied.  But the semen was of no value anyway. 

And yes I agree, way too personal.  It seems to be what this board thrives on.   I came here for information not a nasty debate, and yet I did swing back. 

Thanks again for the info, I am sure it will help allot of people on the board.

If the complainer did indeed have all my dog's vet records, she would know I did take him back in for a complete work-up after the customer complained that the sample was not usable when it arrived in Nebraska. We were instructed at our end to ship the sperm directly to a FedEx depot, not to the vet's office, which we did, even though that is not standard procedure.

Back to the work-up. All tests/cultures were performed at Cornell University.  Because of the time it takes to culture a sample for bacteria, we started my dog on medication (baytril and a prostate reduction med I can't remember the name of) "just in case. When all tests came back negative we discontinued the treatment. He is FINE. Just impregnated a female last month, maybe two.

If it was "all about the money" for me, I would have used that second sample for the female we used for a teaser, a regular customer of Straws and Paws and fellow breeder who was standing in the room, with a handful of cash, instead of shipping it to Nebraska a year after the original contract had expired.

If it weren't for this thread, I might try to do something more, even yet. But your choice to drag my name through the mud on a public forum, insult me and the dogs I produce, most of whose owners are on this board, BTW, and your expert timing in doing so, (see Mystere's post above) leaves me feeling anything but generous towards you.

SS

Good Life, Obviously, either you need to re-read my post to better comprehend it, or dispense with the twit defensiveness: I was NOT criticizing you. I was actually complimenting you. I always give even the Devil his due, and you, intentionally or not (AS I SAID BEFORE), set this thread up perfectly. Some might say brilliantly. It was actually one of the more brilliant, if not the most brilliant, of the complaint threads on this forum. You led the readers down the path, had the readers (including Shelley's friends) make the demand for the name, then dropped the bomb. Period. Brilliant. We ALL KNOW it is not a trial. This is a dog board ,plain and simple.Nobody confused it with a trial. LOL It is merely the forum you chose to "out" Shelley. And, I give you credit: you did a damn good job of it. ¶YES, the timing is interesting, given the widely-known "Shelley-thon," also on this forum. Again, intentional or not. :-) We are all aware of the fact that the economy is in the toilet, and NONE of us wants to be in a position of being out hard-earned cash for nothing. "Old days"--interesting. ¶DDR-DSH : GREAT information! Thanks for sharing. Very helpful. ¶Shelley, it is not about being generous. It is about doing the right thing. You must give the Devil his (or her) due, too. :-)

You don't suppose the devil would be interested in a '97 Aerostar with 160K miles on it, do you? It has a lot of, ummm, uh, character! More every day!

Given that people have proven that there is always "somebody" willing to steal from anyone else, if the Devil has no vehicle, yeah, yours will do!! LOL

BUMP

How are T's teeth?  Last I heard he needed some dentistry done on the cheap?