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by VonIsengard on 29 April 2009 - 14:04

Same here, Shelley!

by ShelleyR on 29 April 2009 - 14:04

I'm still waiting for pix of dogs I showed in Washington, ('97) Dallas ('96), Ohio ('99), Bakersfield ('96), Kentucky ('97 and 2000) the list goes on and on. Signing up for individual shots doesn't usually make any difference if you didn't finish in the front of the line-up. I take pix for myself, (not for sale) because if I don't, I know I might never get any, whether I order them or not.

Yes, that was me they tried to throw out of the ring in San Jose with my dinosaur Nikon. I never saw a website with proofs on it from that event. Did anyone else?

SS

by Chris Hruby on 30 April 2009 - 03:04

GSD4dogs---read below,especially your quote in red....

This was the first Sieger Show that I have attended and tried to look at things objectively

this is being objective? NO, JUST BEING HONEST....READ POST BELOW.....

What I read was generalizations without any back up that implies the protection work was inferior. I was also there and saw some fabulous work done.

GSD4DOGS-- I addressed this on another post in regards to your ignorant comment.

Well, considering some us of cannot travel accross country to view every sieger show, why not compare video to live performance??? Why is that an issue?? So far, unless a video is edited and replaced with another dog....video's don't lie... I would really appreciate it if you would address that comment but let me repeat myself yet again.

What kind of back up exactly do you want? How many teeth exactly on each dog were just barely hanging onto the sleeve? How far which dog backed up from the helper after it outed? How many times a dog came off from a stick hit? How closed to the ground a dog was crouching as it was fussing to the helper? How many rebites a dog took after an out.....??? Seems you cannot name names on the board or it will be deleted these days. Again, what kind of specifics do you want???

Yes, I am owining up to the fact that this is my first LIVE Sieger Show. Are you trying to discredit me for saying that??. Actually, I think many a newbie may find my perspective a bit interesting.

What in the world do human performances have to do with dogs, lol...???

HERE IS YOUR QUOTE:

"But I have no experience with Schutzhund or protection work"

BTW- Found the above quote from one of your previous posts quite amusing.

Since the above comment is yours from a previous post, perhaps you should refrain before commenting from any protection work regarding the Sieger Show.

by ShelleyR on 30 April 2009 - 16:04

If you can count how many teeth a dog has on a sleeve, or accurately evaluate the expression on dog's face as it approaches the helper, from a video posted online, you're a lot better at this than I am. LOL

Hey, I know! Let's mount live-cams on the helpers' hats!

SS -just can't seem to keep it serious today

by Liesjers on 30 April 2009 - 18:04

As far as photography, only their "official" photog was allowed IN the ring. I and several others were taking photos the entire time, from outside the ring. One of us got pestered by some show "official" for her lens poking over the yellow line but that was it. She's a very good dog photographer from the UK so we suspect they just had lens envy. www.fardogartfoto.com I believe she is offering photos to exhibitors. Day one I only photographed my own dog and friend's dogs. Day two I photographed some of the males protection but was distracted by having family with me and unimpressed overall, we left during the female protection tests. I did not go back day three because my husband was sick, but I didn't hear that there were problems photographing as long as we were outside the ring.

by GSD4dogs on 09 May 2009 - 00:05

Chris,

I did a search for the phrase: "But I have no experience with Schutzhund or protection work"
and found only two posts that contain that phrase. One was yours where you claim it is a comment I made and the other is posted below. It is a post by Marisa which follows a post I made. The statement was not made by me. I will assume it was an honest mistake. I hope you are as quick to apologize as you are to accuse. Both posts where ironically enough under the topic Heresay.

Irene

Heresay
by GSD4dogs on 15 April 2009 - 04:04 GSD4dogs

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There will always be those who are instant experts. They do schutzhund for six months or a year and they are all knowing experts. I have seen the posts as well and find it amusing. Many of these instant experts are very creative about fluffing out their limited experience and selling themselves as more knowledgeable then they are, but I do believe that the experienced people see through them and have a good laugh. The risk is to other newbies who think they are getting the right scoop and then repeat the inaccuracies.

Heresay
by Marisa on 15 April 2009 - 06:04

Marisa

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I agree. I'm here to learn. No shame in it! I'm a lifelong dog nut and I know a lot about dogs. There is also a heck of a lot more that I don't know...but I want to. When I was a kid my mom bought me old vet school textbooks and I picked our vet's brain every chance I got. I read every dog book at the local library. I hung out at the shelter. I talked to trainers and K9 officers and breeders. I LOVE DOGS. But I have no experience with Schutzhund or protection work. I've gone to many dog shows but I've never shown my own dog. I'm not a vet. What I know is far outweighed by what I don't know. If I have personal experience with something then yes, I love to share what has worked for me in the hope that it will work for someone else, but I'm not going to go out and give secondhand advice. I ask questions even when I know at least one correct answer already, just in case there's a better way that I hadn't heard of. The risky thing for me or anyone here is determining whether advice/statements are trustworthy.

by GSD4dogs on 09 May 2009 - 00:05

So far, unless a video is edited and replaced with another dog....video's don't lie... I would really appreciate it if you would address that comment but let me repeat myself yet again.

Chris,

Even in person, people have differing opinions depending on their perspective. I served on a jury once where the entire act was caught on video. Both sides used the video at nauseum to prove their side. During the trial we saw it easily 40 times adn when we went to deliberate, each juror had their own perspective of what they saw.

Irene

Chris,

I am very disturbed by your post below:

HERE IS YOUR QUOTE:

"But I have no experience with Schutzhund or protection work"

BTW- Found the above quote from one of your previous posts quite amusing.

Since the above comment is yours from a previous post, perhaps you should refrain before commenting from any protection work regarding the Sieger Show.

Since the above IS NOT MY QUOTE, I would hope you will apologize and in the future reframe from attributing quotes to me without backing it up. I believe your statement above could be considered slander.

Irene

by Chris Hruby on 09 May 2009 - 02:05

Irene- yes, you are correct, I misquoted you in error. My bad....I'm the first to admit a mistake when I make one.

You questioned whether I could be objective because this was the first SS I have seen in person.

Let me ask you this.......how many clubs have YOU trained at? Tell me about the quality of dogs you see??. Care to comment on female #69 in the working female SS catalogue? Isn't that your helper's dog? She earned a sufficient in the bitework and was handled by your helper. Dog was showing quite a bit of avoidance. She was lucky to earn a sufficient, actually, because of the fear/avoidance she demonstrated. Afterwards the helper/handler came up to us and asked if any of us were the show secretary because he was upset that his dog did not earn a prounouned in the bitework and he was wondering if the rules allowed him to pull her since she could not earn a V rating in conformation because she earned a sufficient in bitework. Thought that was awfully poor sportsmanship

Then when we watched her conformation performance it was your helper's son that handled her. He is the only one that can handle her from what I understand since she is so spooky. The dog was literally shaking in the ring. Did you happen to notice that or did you have your rose colored sunglasses on? And yes, it was raining and no, there were no other dogs literally shaking!!! I would love to hear your perspective regarding #69's bitework.

So.....if this is the quality of dog that YOU are used to seeing in the bitework, perhaps you need to get out more and watch some strong dogs.

You know the old saying, it's quality, not quanity....well perhaps that applies to me watching my first SS show. I have the opportunity to see good bitework but not so sure about you, and would you know it if you saw it.......????

by GSD4dogs on 09 May 2009 - 04:05

Then when we watched her conformation performance it was your helper's son that handled her. He is the only one that can handle her from what I understand since she is so spooky. The dog was literally shaking in the ring. Did you happen to notice that or did you have your rose colored sunglasses on?

Chris,

Interesting evaluation but which bitch are you referring to since number 69 was not shown in the Conformation Ring? I do know because I was a ring steward and while I was very busy in the ring recording the order, I can say without a doubt that number 69 was not in the ring because I was recording the order.

You clearly do not know me and from your posts I have no interest in knowing you.

I will not respond to any further posts from you.

Thanks for the apology about misquoting me earlier.

by Chris Hruby on 09 May 2009 - 18:05

Yes, #69 was pulled since she got a sufficient rating in the performance and she could not get a V rating. so she did not do conformation. The dog I was referring to was #3 in the 24+ working males. He is the one that was shaking in the ring.

I noticed you did not comment on the bitework portion so I guess that speaks for itself.

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