THE LEGEND - "ZAMP" - Page 5

Thanks for a truly heartwarming story, I loved it!
Just wish everything on thisd board didn't have to turn into a pissing match.

Good Morning Elliott (ecs),
Great to hear from you, I will take your PS as a compliment , I think !?!?  ??!!??   lol  

Bet you are already soaking up that great southern sunshine? By the way my online bridge partner quite appropriately lives in VA !!!  Hows that for a co-incidence?!  Glad you enjoyed the article, Stay Well.

Kind Regards
Sue

PS Once again thanks to all who took time out to post here and send emails.  I can only re-iterate it has been both a pleasure and a privilege to have been able to share this with you all.

SueB
You are certainly well out of touch with the sport of Schutzund, For biting on a sleeve even in that  one phase of the sport is only a part, there is much more in the protection phase than just biting a sleeve, Then we have the tracking and before these two the Obedinace phase, and i will remind you you that the Obed Phase has to be very good indeed for it carries through to both the protection and the Tracking as well for if a dog is not under complete comtrol it will fail on both the tracking and protection, as well as the obed,
Yes, i live in Belgium and it is of no suprise that i have not heard of this Dog, I bet and to be sure i will ask the club members on Sundays training if thay have but i know not many will have heard of it
It is a Show Dog not meaning that in a wrong way but these people are not interested in Show Dogs of any breed, no more than many of the Showline Shepherd People are of the sport of Schutzund and reading the many posts it proves that fact, There is training tonight at the club but my dog did a private training stint this morning with the Belgium team Captain so we will not be going this evenings training session but i will ask the people on Sunday
However as i said prior to this i do admire the show people for the work they put into there Dogs and it is an art in it self,
and this Dog Zamp looks a really fine Lad and full credit to the owners, but as i said i did not know him, or any other show dogs and their performances Simply because i do not follow the show dog world
Steve
Liz and Lilysmom
Just because some of us do not think the way you and others do, does not mean we are wrong in what we say, and i am sorry but if i am just not interested in the show side of keeping G.S dogs that it is it ,but i have nothing negative to say about Zamp, that would be stupid and wrong if i did seeing that i had never heard of him
My hobby is the working line for the SchH sport and that is it
One thing that has crossed my mind regards this thread and that is you show people are a very touchy lot of people, you do not like anything negative said about your sport, But that is a fact of life, Me i only go in the circles of SchH people so it has never come to the fore before this and it suprises me
Fiona
No i tell you the truth i had never heard of this Dog, But I have been known to be called Twinkle Toes in one of my sports years ago because i was a very fast mover , The bells were not a lot of good, because it was all over before they they had a chance to ring
Steve

Very Well said Liz (Funky)! And of course you are absolutely correct in what you said re some working people. The problem is some of them  prefer to overlook the fact that we show line people dont go on their threads consistently critisisng them or theirs.  As you say every time they start up a new working thread we dont jump in there asking why so few of their dogs fail to fit the standard and look the part as well as act it. The fact remains that in order for them to breed from their dogs in Germany they too must be presented under an SV kormeister Breed Warden and obtain a Breed Grading in order to pass their Korung and do we ever accuse them of obtaining false V & SG grades? No we dont. They put all their time and energy into training their dogs in the sport of Sch and all it encompasses. In order to gain a Sch3 our top breed dogs also have to learn to track, retrieve over jumps, hit the A frame, heel work, down stays, AD bike work , checking the hides etc , indeed everything the Working people do with their dogs, the fact that showline people  do not keep doing this all the time , every spare minute is because we are not competing in the Working Trials but the Show ring. There is nothing to say that should show line people concentrate solely on the working side with a show line dog that he couldnt be as good as some of the regular working line dogs, I am not saying they would be the Top Wkg Dog but then not every Working Line dog makes it to the Top anyway does it?

(Steve1 please note from my above comment I am NOT accusing you of critisising Zamp in any way. I know you have repeated many times you think he is a good looking dog. But I must make the point that the article told all the relevant details about him, including the fact he has a Sch3 title which appears after his name at the beginning of the article. So there was absolutely no need for any questions regarding his working qualifications &/or ability and certainly no need for the nasty libelous comments made on this same subject by snaipier. Anyway I am sure we have covered all possible bases regarding this subject by now, so enough said already).  

All that said, I admire the work the working side do with their dogs, I love to watch them go through their paces, it is a joy to see, the same as it is a joy for me to see a beautiful or handsome GSD in all his superb constructional quality nobly  gaiting like poetry in motion around a large stadium, just as I adore seeing a calm, self assured GSD at rest or at play side by side with other dogs or with children and adults alike, the same as it pleases me to see the dogs working a a Pet for Therapy dog , giving joy to the sick, infirm and elderly and simply to see any good looking, good natured GSD walking down the street with owner putting a smile on the faces of passing admirers and doing nothing else than being a perfect ambassador for the breed. ALL these things are equally pleasing to me, every positive thing about this breed pleases me, indeed the only thing that remains a constantly distain in this breed are some of the people, I will never be able to understand why ALL cant take pleasure from the others who enjoy this breed despite the fact they may derive their enjoyment of the breed through different avenues. The breed is meant to be capable of coping with all manner of activities, thats the glory and the wonder of it's versatility. Be glad the many varied aspects of its abilities to adjust be it workability, tractability or sheer huggability still exists and glory in it rather than desparage it.  

Best Regards
Sue b

Liz
it has not turned out to be show against working lines with me, I have no interest in the show side so i do not compare it with anything else, Yes best to let it all go away otherwise friends made are friends lost and that is a shame, 
 By the way i was never a boxer Just trained in the art of Karate and special methods of disarming and stopping the subject which methods i will not go into on a dog forum, or rather not at all
This is a forum for all G.S dogs and to me a G.S dog does not know if it is a show or working line in the normal run of life so they are a friend to the owner no matter how famous or otherwise, and to be honest there are not many real Champions in the show world or the sport of Schutzund, otherwise the word would have no meaning
Best
Steve