Picture taking at Events - discussion - Page 5

My club trials have been held on my private property of 40 acres for the last several years. There is a boarding and training facility here. I am rigorous about vaccination status, and no dog, whether belonging to my personal friends, or a client, or a dog trialing on my property is allowed to be on the property without proof of vaccination and recent worming. Period. Some people don't like that, and they simply don't participate in our trials and shows.

As for photos, we have never prohibited photo taking. In fact, most people are delighted to see photos someone took of them working their dog. We often take photos during training, as well. But no, no one sells such photos, nor has ever used photos in an inappropriate manner etc. If someone did, yes, I can imagine we would be upset with that and have every right to be, as in the case Mystere mentions.

As someone has already mentioned, people often do not exhibit common courtesy or have manners. We have had competitors from other clubs come to trial and be rude to our helper (someone we had to hire from another organization to do our trial because we have no helper). These same people changed the layout of the field just before the trial without so much as asking anyone in our club if it would be ok. I was inside working and came out to trial only to find the jumps in a completely different location on the field. We have had trial participants and spectators drink way too much alcohol, be loud and obnoxious here, and then drive home while clearly impaired.

We have also had "spectators", meaning people well experienced in SchH, come to our event and talk loudly just off the field while people were doing obedience. In one case, the individual doing so was the paid trial helper and when asked about it, berated those who objected because "his dog" would do perfect obedience regardless of who was on or off or near the field. We had another "spectator" join the group for the heeling execise and this individual had food in his pocket (and told someone that he did). Every dog stopped at his side to sniff. He knew better.  

At shows we have hosted in the past we have had people here participating bad-mouthing the club, me, the facility, the rules about vaccinations and breaking the rules we told them about. One went so far as to challenge the judge over a rating in a very unsportsmanlike manner, embarrassing all of us.

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Sometimes people make mistakes at trials because they do not know better. This is unavoidable sometimes, and certainly understandable. We have, for instance, seen people drive a vehicle right in next to someone doing obedience. Should this bother a dog during a trial? Perhaps not, but for someone who is new doing a first time BH, it can be distracting to the human and the dog. So we have learned to post someone to stop this from happening. So trying to anticipate what might happen is sometimes a good way to deal with such situations.

While I cannot imagine objecting to someone taking photos, perhaps there are people who do object. In such a situation, again, as Bob-O and others have mentioned, a sign, and making sure everyone who enters the space is aware makes a lot of sense. Such information can also be written on the event posters and flyers and announcements. Actually, on private property it is easier to enforce rules than on public property where there are larger areas to deal with and where yes, the general John and Josephine Q Public might enter the area. But there is no excuse for poor manners, from anyone involved, whether on public or private property. We trial here for the convenience of our club members, and especially for me since I cannot easily leave the property to go trial elsewhere for a day.  The bottom line is that there are a number of courteous, kind and fun people involved in the sport. There are others who are not and they often ruin it for everyone. 

Photos should be a non-issue in my mind, but I do think that if  a club objects then it is incumbent on them to let everyone know in advance. I know if I were going to an event I would certainly take my camera because I can get some wonderful shots for people who otherwise might not have nice photos. But, as a courtesy, I would also ask the event people if anyone had objections.

Just my two cents..........

I like to take pictures, and no club near me has every objected to photos  being taken , or video but I think when you are taking photos there needs to be a few simple rules..

1) do nothing that impedes the dog, or handler ( have have seen photograhpers get too close the dogs are running blinds or retrieving (can be really be a problem either if the dog is sharp or freindly)

2) do nothing that gets in the way of the judge.

Lenses and cameras in general are much better these days you often can just as good of picturs from a safe distance

3) If you take a picture of a dog making a mistake, delete it, your dog will probably do the same thing (or already has)

4) if you get a good picture share it with the owner/handler of the dog they will probably appreciate it.

5) If someone asks not to be photographed dont take picttures of them.  On a personal note I have eye problems bright lights can be a problem for me, also  I do not wish to have a photograph of myself where I look like a rejeced experiment from dr morau's island laboratory

6) if you see another compeitor who is taking photos for other club members ask if you can take some pics of them while they are working their dog (I do like to have pictures of myself when I don't look like a rejected experiment from dr morau's island laboratory)

 just a few thoughts

IMO i think you can should be able to take pics at a TRIAL. You should be able to take pics of all Competitors competing. Just like other sports. You take pics of the stars. I would agree that in a SEMINAR they might exclude picture taking. The people in the seminar aren't competing they are training and maybe don't want their picture aired around. People have the right to not want there pics thrown around. But as a competitor competing, you're out their for everyone to see.

    Mark
www.ultimatekanine.com

 

All trials are done in a private property, when is it not?
If a club does not want pictures and videos taken by a spectator.   Don't have a trial
If you are having a seminar that is private and you do not want pictures or video. That is different that is private and you tell people before hand. if they get mad tell them to get out its your back yard and it is your call.
V

No rules over here regarding not taking photos at trials so long as you do not go onto the working field, Here is a couple i took recently
Steve

This was young Fred learning to take the block over the A Frame

Habanaro posts some excellent common courtesy points. If everyone followed his sense of how to take photos, I doubt there would be problems. If someone takes a photo of me, it will likely break their camera.....LOL

At BIG events, they hire a photographer pro bono and they are awarded exclusive rights to take photos to make a profit,  capitalism is the word that explains the reasons on the photography of the dogs, plus the politics.  I think its bull, you should be able to take a photo of your dog for your use at a big event without a financial obilgation arranged by someone else impeding you.  Or sign waivers that if you take a photos, you will not compete with the official photographer for financial gain/sales of the photo.


That said:
The big shows/trials need a good photographer to capture great shots.   This is an arrangement made with the organizations to control costs and benefit the members by keeping entry fees down.  There needs to be some respect for the official photographer in this regard.  Put yourself in his or her shoes with your business.  If you are told you are the only vendor of pop and you barter some cases of pop for the previalge and someone else shows up with sodas and starts selling them or you think they may sell them, you would be upset.  Most likely never offer the freebies and services again.

Food for thought