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by HighDesertGSD on 04 February 2009 - 19:02
I believe there are many breeders who will help a buyer if the pup developed HD without stipulating that the pup be returned. I am certainly one, but I think this is almost usual. Not most breeders are so cold and calculating, I tend to think.
There is no quarantee in any way, only some compensation. In any case, a buyer of a HD pup is stuck with a dog with less than optimal mobility.
There is no quarantee in any way, only some compensation. In any case, a buyer of a HD pup is stuck with a dog with less than optimal mobility.
by Teri on 04 February 2009 - 21:02
Raymond I too had a beautiful male GSD pup who ended up having severe HD on both sides. I purchased him as a working dog and needed a working dog. I went through hell as did the breeder because we both loved him. It was very difficult for us both. I decided after much internal debate to return him to the breeder. We decided together to have him put to rest due to the severity of his HD, even with surgery his prognosis was poor and it was believed he would be lame and in pain for the rest of his life due to his expected size at full maturity. He was only 7 months old but already had arthritis started in both hips.
I got photo's of the new litter weekly and it was very hard, they were so cute but I wasn't sure I could give my heart to another pup without over thinking something was wrong with it too. I almost passed on a pup but at the last minute choose a female pup, her name is Carney. I told her she had very big paws to fill. I am so glad I got her, she is great. She is 1/2 sister to my 21 month old GSD. The breeder and I went through a rough time because she cares about her pups as much as the new owners. She loves getting photo's of them growing and knowing how they are doing. We are friends and don't regret putting Chip to rest, it was the most humane thing for him. I don't know you girls condition or severity but perhaps the breeder can give or sell her to a pet home where she can live a happy life and make others happy. There are options but they aren't easy. Seperating my heart from my brain was not easy but with limited funding and space for training and working search and rescue dogs, I had to look at why I purchased the pup to begin with. This makes me sound hard and unfeeling, trust me, the breeder and I both cried many nights over Chip. He was our favorite from the litter, big boned beautiful black and tan cooat and perfect temperment. Everything I could have ever dreamed of in a pup except the damn HD, which proved to be very limiting for him.
What did you get her for? A house pet or a working dog? If you paid for a pet, she may still make an excellent one. If you paid for a working dog talk to the breeder and see what your options are. The breeder had Chip cremated for me and his remains put in a little wooden dog house. I have it in my family room with his photo on it. I will never forget him or stop loving him. Doing the right thing is not always easy or popular. Not all breeders are equal for many reasons. I was blessed with a good one who has provided me with two great girls. Chip was a lesson in life for both of us that we'll never forget. Do some soul searching and talk with your breeder hopefully you will have a compromise that works for everyone.
Teri
I got photo's of the new litter weekly and it was very hard, they were so cute but I wasn't sure I could give my heart to another pup without over thinking something was wrong with it too. I almost passed on a pup but at the last minute choose a female pup, her name is Carney. I told her she had very big paws to fill. I am so glad I got her, she is great. She is 1/2 sister to my 21 month old GSD. The breeder and I went through a rough time because she cares about her pups as much as the new owners. She loves getting photo's of them growing and knowing how they are doing. We are friends and don't regret putting Chip to rest, it was the most humane thing for him. I don't know you girls condition or severity but perhaps the breeder can give or sell her to a pet home where she can live a happy life and make others happy. There are options but they aren't easy. Seperating my heart from my brain was not easy but with limited funding and space for training and working search and rescue dogs, I had to look at why I purchased the pup to begin with. This makes me sound hard and unfeeling, trust me, the breeder and I both cried many nights over Chip. He was our favorite from the litter, big boned beautiful black and tan cooat and perfect temperment. Everything I could have ever dreamed of in a pup except the damn HD, which proved to be very limiting for him.
What did you get her for? A house pet or a working dog? If you paid for a pet, she may still make an excellent one. If you paid for a working dog talk to the breeder and see what your options are. The breeder had Chip cremated for me and his remains put in a little wooden dog house. I have it in my family room with his photo on it. I will never forget him or stop loving him. Doing the right thing is not always easy or popular. Not all breeders are equal for many reasons. I was blessed with a good one who has provided me with two great girls. Chip was a lesson in life for both of us that we'll never forget. Do some soul searching and talk with your breeder hopefully you will have a compromise that works for everyone.
Teri
by Peter Oja on 04 February 2009 - 21:02
Breeding for the sake of breeding is not fair to the breed. I do not care if you breed for $$ as long as it is done responsibly. 90% of dogs sold for less than $500 end up in Animal shelters. This study was done by MI animal control.
Every breeder has a responsibility to enhance the quality of the breed, therefore we should adhere to strict breed regulation and standards. To improve the dogs only proved titled dogs should breed, that is the only way we know how we can improve the breed.
by Two Moons on 04 February 2009 - 22:02
If only it were that simple Peter.
by Peter Oja on 04 February 2009 - 23:02
Two Moons,
It is, unless we want to make it complicated, you know it is up to the individual. If we keep education people eventually you might get 10% with some knowledge......
by wuzzup on 04 February 2009 - 23:02
Peter a lot of high priced dogs are just as disposable.
by raymond on 04 February 2009 - 23:02
I will admit that I have a wonderfull animal .I did recieve a written guarantee for her and without time limits. a guarantee that I must say went to the moon to guarnateed my full satisfaction in her and what ever expectation I had for her. I salute char and julie for that. I paid 2.5k for Halo at 3months. Her hips are scheduled for pic within the next month. My intentions were to enter the world of schutzhund training and since my heart was broken from the passing of my dog of 12 years I was intent on never being with out one again. I understand that there are animals that are exceptions to the rule and are worthy of breeding even though they may not have a title . But that is in kansas toto just as the perfect world is with scarecrows that have brains. I also understand that there are breeders who send their dogs off to college just to get the title specifically for breeding to support their lifestyle. Also heard tales of the incompetance of some of the judges in the usa and sv ect ect. Learn that one can import dogs from germany for far less than is usally paid here. know some folks that have contacts in Germany and europe at large. I would personally love to eventually do serious search and rescue.Ahh shucks even if all Halo does is bite the mail man I am tickled pink with her. Would just like to see that perfect breeding world. Yes you can have your run of the mill pet store dog but this one is far more than that. For an idiot like me I can see that the German Shepherd Dog is in a superior class by them selfs and need to be kept there.
by Peter Oja on 04 February 2009 - 23:02
I am just refereing to the stats, 90% of dogs in animal shelter sold for $500 or less, you get what you pay for, You sell a dog for les that $1500 you get a buyer that might not be able to buy dog food. You ask for more you get a buyer that can afford the dog and deal with the consequenses.
You just make sure that your pupps are worth the $$ hence quality breeding....
You just make sure that your pupps are worth the $$ hence quality breeding....
by Mystere on 04 February 2009 - 23:02
Peter,
I truly hate to tell you , but the shelters here have as many purebred gsds from the breeders of German show lines (and to a lesser extent working lines) as from unidentified sources. The tattoos tend to give it away, and thanks to USA's tattooing scheme, we do know exactly which breeders they are coming from. Yes, Purebred Rescue contacts those breeders. Guess what? The breeders often DO NOT STEP UP and take responsibility for the dogs they bred. Yes, there are some, like Mary Dygert (TeMar) who moves heaven and Earth to get that dog back into her hands, once she is contacted about a dog from her breeding in a shelter. That dog can be 'cross country--Mary will get it and rehome it. Others? They just say it is not their problem and hang up. The rescue groups are afraid to publish the names of such kennels, due to fear of litigation. Do you think it might make a difference, if they did publish those kennel names?
I truly hate to tell you , but the shelters here have as many purebred gsds from the breeders of German show lines (and to a lesser extent working lines) as from unidentified sources. The tattoos tend to give it away, and thanks to USA's tattooing scheme, we do know exactly which breeders they are coming from. Yes, Purebred Rescue contacts those breeders. Guess what? The breeders often DO NOT STEP UP and take responsibility for the dogs they bred. Yes, there are some, like Mary Dygert (TeMar) who moves heaven and Earth to get that dog back into her hands, once she is contacted about a dog from her breeding in a shelter. That dog can be 'cross country--Mary will get it and rehome it. Others? They just say it is not their problem and hang up. The rescue groups are afraid to publish the names of such kennels, due to fear of litigation. Do you think it might make a difference, if they did publish those kennel names?
by raymond on 04 February 2009 - 23:02
For this woman who does this (Temar )I will bend over backwards to help her . I applaude her efforts and yes those kennel names should be published who refuse to take the dog back. For the amount of money paid for these animals they deserve better from their breeders than sorry wrong number. What can I do to help feel free to contact me. This is part of the breeding problem that disqusts me. Well raymond how about volenteering some time at a local shelter. Yes I will . Thank you for opening my eyes mystere
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