Global Warming (OT) - Page 5

Hah...guess what's showing up at the bottom of this thread? An ad about how the reduciton in the pack ice is threatening the polar bear, as they need the ice to go out and hunt for seals during the winter!

http://www.naturecanada.ca/advocate/global_warming.html?gclid=CK3V84HE65QCFRKUggodDgo0SQ

LOL..4pack,

I'm just an old hippy, a freak, trying to live in an insane world.  

Yeah I was what you would probably call a head, those day's are long gone.    Talk about inflation !

Everybody should take a break and burn one at least once in there live's.

The match's are for lighting things on fire.   I'm not a pyro at all.   Altho a good fire on a clear night is very pleasant.

The remark I made was about putting an end to the insanity of the world and those who rule it all.   Burn it all down.

We would be better off in the long run.   Just a pipe dream, a fantasy.

Now I'm just strange, its like being the last of your race and all alone.  Too many died young.

It's just too damned complicated to explain.    It's the kind of thing you talk about around the fire while you burn one.

Anyway that's the difference between burning one and a box of match's.

Brent.

Just give your little dragon theres tail a little yank, when you need a light.  Nighty night and sweet dreams too all. Hodie, Abbay and the rest of you, don't stay up too late partying.

Sunsilver

have degree in business from UT and who cares about a degree anyway. I know plenty of complete idiots who have degrees, some of my  best employees do not even have degrees and are very intelligent and top notch. whats funny we were just discussing one employee who has engin degree that is a complete idiot but gosh like you has a degree.

So pull your old saggy face out of the clouds and realize i have done alot of research on global warmings and think it's a big business joke on gullible people.  Wonder why none of you ever address my remarks on how gore and the hollywood crowd continue to produce huge amounts of carbon while doing all this preaching to us?  Well?

let me correct myself by saying "man made'  global warming.  The earth is always going thru heating and cooling cycles. Over the last 8 years we have now actually cooled not heated up, check the facts ..

hodie: “China does NOT use the same coal burning technology as the US does. Their technology, for the most part, is many, many years behind. Ever been to China? There are practically NO scrubbers anywhere in China and this is one reason why China is putting so much pollution into the air in their rush to industrialize.  In the last few years they have created over 700 NEW cities and we are not talking small towns. In the larger picture, there is another gas that is more important than CO2, that being methane.”

I’m sure they don’t, although they are retrofitting many plants with wet-flue desulphurization scrubbers. But do American scrubbers, or even fluidized bed combustion or coal gasification techniques capture and remove carbon dioxide!? Isn’t this the primary concern here? As said, it was only in 2006 that China overtook the US as the world’s worst polluter (whereas US citizen’s carbon footprint still sits at almost six times the Chinese one). I visited China twice – scrubbers weren’t on the agenda!

Statement from US Department of Energy: “Carbon dioxide is the latest – and certainly the most challenging – of coal's environmental concerns. Boosting power plant efficiencies is currently the most cost-effective way to reduce carbon dioxide, but it will likely not be sufficient to substantially reduce the threat of global climate change.”

And in that the West, and US in particular, and ever since industrial revolution, happens to comprise climate change’s main culprit and despite the mad rush as a developing nation toward attaining a similar lifestyle, why should China or India take heed when the US foremost (in its eternal ill-based, if not smug hubris?) balks at leading the way? Quite apart from the fact that democratic societies are inherently flawed where it comes to dealing with something as potentially unpopular as taking action on climate change, if only insofar of competing agendas – economic growth and full employment versus environment etc – short-term nature underlying decision-making, and with your average politician scoring personal political survival paramount. At least China saw fit to institute a one-child policy! 

I’m well aware that China envisages one new million-people city annually (commissioning one new coal-fired power plant per week!); and in the process will no doubt scour the world for raw materials for years to come – we ain’t seen nothing yet! Owning a car, after a reasonable house, is the ultimate dream/status symbol and with a combined population in excess of 2.5 billion we’d really need three planets to satisfy China’s and India's longer-term demands!
 

hodie: Of course, volcanic eruptions contribute. Who said they did not? And yes, species are disappearing from this planet at an alarming rate, but not all of it is related to man-made activity either

As for Asia’s Monsoon underpinning, I merely strove to illustrate our environment’s broader vulnerability, and how it doesn’t take much to disturb its natural balance, or rather, such conditions as crucial to human existence. The ash from mentioned super eruption (540 AD odd) apparently blanketed the sun for a year and a half, while adversely affecting the world’s climate for far longer, in fact seeing whole civilizations on the move.

Even a mere one-degree temperature rise injects an enormous amount of additional energy into world’s weather systems, not to mention the rise in ocean levels, or the impact of acidification. It furthermore wouldn’t take all that much to render the tropics too torrid for human habitation, in turn causing hundreds of millions of folk to seek milder climes! (I remain far from convinced, but only a week ago a marine biologist strove to convince me that the last ice age was very likely linked to a deflection in the Gulf Stream, as in turn initially caused by immense quantities of melt water streaming down from the north.)

We also seem to forget that clean water and food, as well as the very air we breathe, is directly reliant on the natural world – not some Wal-Mart test-tube! Whereas the massive and ongoing disruption/destruction of the natural environment (and that in a blink of the eye!) is such that normal species’ extinction isn’t worth noting! Even though nature abhors a vacuum we’ve similarly sabotaged the normal evolutionary processes whereby worthier species replace those less so. And we’re speaking here about miraculous animals and plant life representing millions of years of evolution! (Yes, by all means lets create some more gods in our own image, if only to further exult our own superior status!)

Finally, most of the world’s problems are rooted in the fact that there are simply too many of us - at least far too many for any kind of sustainable Western lifestyle; the demands made on the planet’s environment are simply too huge. A bit like boys in a swimming pool: one boy peeing creates no problem; with few hundred doing the same, you’re apt to end up with a cesspool - an analogy also applicable to a range of other political issues and scientific/technological breakthroughs.
 

Sweet dream's 4pack.

The Topex Posiedon satellite? The Grace;Jason and Icesat missions?? Edgar Cayce??  Chaiton volcano?? Comparison studies of the PGR effect...yada yada yada.Worker bee's...brainwashing..politics...oil supplies..Tri-lateral and sub commissions...The Beast of Belgium/germany "World Order"..Before there were PC's..there were mainframes.I remember DOG, CAT,RAT..just three of six.At that time a roll out just like a sheet was a computer in a different location.The year was 1980.I worked at a company as well that were putting together the first DNA testing kits. Do I have a degree?Nope, I didn't need one.Whats going on everywhere is going to continue to happen...and there won't be any change.There are many aspects to the term Global Warming..On a previous thread I commented that it was about the moon's gravitational pull..haha.Far more complex than that.Everyone that posted here made some sense on their layer of thinking..observation..reading...and or have "Surfed" the web for knowledge.Just don't dwell on the information you get..artificially.If anyone has kids or grandkids..Kick their butt away from the PC...and games...unless it is utilized purely for education.Brent,Yep no one seems to give a shit about the rainforest(sp) and what it produced at one time...and every growth there underneath.No one wants to talk about water whether in streams/lakes.Forget the oceans and seas.Everyone is out getting their trophy fish!They could give a shit about the coral and what it produced!!! Desert Ranger..I chose to not go on that money train..When's the last time that anyone on this thread laid down in grass..dirt and watched the sun rise or set.Looked at the moon or even just one tree and noticed the shape of the leaves??Looked at the stars?I am just so very glad that I still do.In ref to bugs outliving us..probably so.God gave us the perfect ecological balance...in trees..insects..reptillions..mammals.The parallel of our bodies is equivalent with land mass and waters on the earth."Percentage"...Well through the generations there has been no education about this..to the "Populations"!! Enjoy the nature Brent.Yep, Too many died to soon.Light it up and pass.