New Color? - Page 5

This is not about bashing the breeder but rather the standard

This statement is on the web page of the breeder referenced in the original link

Our goal is to produce a limited number of mentally and physically sound German Shepherd Dogs, some of which may have the fault of being the wrong color ( Blue and hopefully Liver in the future), and/or having the wrong coat length. However, all puppies bred at Loujuan are bred foremost with the intention of maintaining the unique qualities of physical conformation, working ability, and attitude ( the physical and mental standard according to the SV or WSUV, with the exception of color ) that make a German Shepherd Dog one of the most popular working dogs and companions in the world.

 The breeder indicates she breeds to the SV standard [with the exception of color] that seems to be the only real *issue* I have. OTOH, it looks like the dogs are living in a very nice enviroment, get a lot of mental stimulation, and are welll cared for.

So, her dogs are not going to enter the mainstream breeding population because they are UKC and I take no offense ----actually better this than doing things to make an unsuitable dog "pass" sports tests and conformation tests and be part of the mainstream breeding. We know those dogs are out there. A far greater "crime" in my mind.

- other than her claim they have anything to do with the SV,  but then most folks who would be buying these dogs don't know what all that is anyway.  Perhaps the statement about "WSUV" is tongue in cheek.

Oh, Justk9 - my female was MUCH darker than yours as a puppy, had pencilling and tarheels but eventually would un being a blanket black. There is still faded tarheels

Pod,

Thank you for your reply.  I'll have to go back and refresh my memory on the color/coat genetics in Shar Pei.  This dog was from an all "black" litter produced from a cream sire and black dam.

Ah right, that firgures.  The dominant black allele K was probably from the dam, and the recessive k^y from the sire.

They are Black Sable.

I think they are very beautiful.

I like dogs with lots of color.

Just K9s, it looks to me like you've got nice blk/tan or blk/reddish tan pups there; maybe would turn out a little darker masked facing (preferred), but still traditional (saddle). Your pups' cheek spots are 'bright' (meaning, alot of light tan color in the face on either side of the head; bi-colors have very little to no cheek spots). The bi-colors I've seen have still been predominantly black in the size/age of your pups in the pics. Here's the only bi-color I've produced; her at 5 1/2wks(note the still almost black face still at this age):

The colors of GSDs is SO much neat fun to talk about and discuss!

Saw this color back in the early 70's from a Very dark Bi color Rex Ed-lu Mibach  grson bred to some pet American stock.  She grew to be a lovely dog I refered to @ the time as a Black Sable... as it had no tan/cream/red in the coat.   basic black to look @ with silver undercoat if brushed the wrong way. It came thru around the ruff, and the inside of the legs a bit.   The other pups in the litter were blk and cream.. the black fadeing as it got older as it often does in Shepherds.  She wasn't ever bred, so don't know what she would have produced.  I wonder if it could be a fadeing gene in the black gene pool??

I've run into the color here and there over the years, so it's not really a "new" color. 

Oh.. one last thing...talking about faults...   "Strong rich colors are preferred. Pale, washed-out colors and blues or livers are serious faults??... Faults of gait, whether from front, rear or side, are to be considered very serious faults. ... Lack of confidence under any surroundings is not typical of good character. Any of the above deficiencies in character which indicate shyness must be penalized as very serious faults and any dog exhibiting pronounced indications of these must be excused from the ring"  sometimes folks forget the important OTHER faults and focus only on color... 

Here is a current picture of the male pup,  The female was even darker, but she went to her new home last weekend.   I have asked for some pictures so if they send some I will post them.  He will be 9 weeks tomorrow.  I checked the hair behind his ears and it is black, although you can see in the inside of his ears, it is redish.  He still has tiny eyebrows, and not much change to his face since birth.

I will post a pictures of both his parents. 

bicolors can and will have cheek markings as puppies, which usually get darker and "muddier" as they age, whereas black/tans get lighter and the tan spreads.  Justk9s, I don't think your pup is bicolor, though many bicolor pups look like yours at that age - I can see hints of brown behind his ears, and looks like the toemarks are fading.  I don't think he will be as "light" as his mother though - probably dark black/red.

molly