Why do breeders sell dogs without breeding rights - Page 5

Good discussion of the issues surrounding this above.

one example on why a limited reg might not be a bad thing.  http://www.lowcountrygermanshepherds.com/CheyannePedigree.htm   " When we got there she was so shy acting that's what I called her on the way home. " "Our dogs are our pets but do not live in the house with us"

being bred to

http://www.lowcountrygermanshepherds.com/Zachariah5Generation.htm    in what they call "up breeding". Now I can think of several things to call this but I'm not sure it would bw polite to print them on the board.

This is their latest addition to their breeding pool - http://www.lowcountrygermanshepherds.com/LilMissPed.htm

Meant to include this one

http://www.bluedogs.8m.com/sire.htm

Nice looking pedigree tho a bit of a rip off on the name. But wait look who apparently owns him so guess what kinds of dogs he will be bred to  http://www.bluedogs.8m.com/  titled Find information about Blue,Liver and Izabella colored GSDs.

Izabella ??? is that not a Dobie term?

I am a little confused here.  If your dogs do not have papers how do you propose to limit breeding rights?  The dogs are to be spayed or neutered?  How do you propose to enforce that when, in most states where you sell an animal that animal becomes the property of the buyer and they can barbeque it for dinner for all the law cares.  A limited registration only means that the puppies cannot be registered with the parent organization. No papers, no parent organization, no limited registration, (or any other kind for that matter).

Well sure, Two Moons if the status quo is only breeding proven stock, then yes it is to protect the status quo at a minimum.

You can chalk me up as another buyer who is completely OK with paying full price for a puppy with limited registration.  My contract specifies that full registration will be granted upon proof of hip rating and working title.  Years ago I would have been rankled by a breeder not giving me full papers for a puppy, but I've come around since then to see the wisdom in the practice. 

The only hitch I see is if the proverbial beer truck runs over my breeder and I'm stuck trying to sue her next of kin once I've satisfied the terms of the contract.  Hmmm... I'll take my chances that it's an unlikely scenario.

Bonus points of limited registration:  when Backyard Bubba sees me walking my dog down the street and asks about breeding his "papered female" to my dog to make some puppies, I can just shrug it off with, "Sorry no papers," instead of launching into a lecture about the heritage of the working dog, which will just hurt his tender ego that I think his dog "ain't good 'nuf".  Limited registration gives me an easy out for that unpleasant conversation. 

Yvette

Just look at the ads on here - pups for sale from dogs with titles back in the 3rd generation.  Full and limited for different prices from dogs with no titles.  Hypocrites there!  and pups with no papers because teh "breeder" did not HAVE BREEDING RIGHTS! 

In Germany, to get FULL - or PINK papers - you have to do hips, elbows, AD, Title and KOER - so people here following SV guidelines want the buyer to do hips and title.  So what?  You think enough of the breed to buy a pup from titled koered parents, why would you breed without it if that is what you bought?

Yes Lee/Drew,

But there are well intentioned poepl who make the mistake of trusting someone like you who takes an older dog and breeds her when she was supposed to be retired (and to a non titlled non OFA male)

Other problems I have with limited breeding rights that are to be lifted when dog is titled and/or health certified.  Is the breeder going to be around in two years?  Are they going to take an attitude about something and refuse to grant the rights?  Way too many human variables here.  If you want a dog with even the slightest possiblity of breeding, get the full registration when you buy the pup.  If the breeder refuses to do that, it is certainly withingn their rights, just like it is within your rights to take your money elsewhere.  There are far too many breeders around to think that you must deal with any particular one who will not meet your purchase criteria.  For myself, I would run far and fast from a breeder who wants control over any aspect of my dog after I buy it.  If the breeder wants to continue to be involved in the dog's life and career that would be fantastic. But, make no mistake, when I pay my money for anything, I own it and I will be the one to make the decisions

The answer is easy -

If you want to breed, you buy from someone who sells pups with full registration.

 If you don't want to breed, then the world is your oyster and you can buy from anyone.

If you are not sure, then wait until you have made your mind up.

Where is the problem?

Margaret N-J

Margaret

The problem is that I just learned how to wipe my own ass and now I have to worry about the bigger things in life like registration!