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VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 13 February 2008 - 15:02

Wow what a ridiculous argument. There is NOTHING wrong with a longcoat for a companion, obedience, sport...whatever. I think many of them are gorgeous dogs with great temperments but they do not conform to the sv standard and therefore should not be eligible for VA, or even a V, and THAT is the basis for this thread.  If you want to argue that, then you're the ignorant one. Pick up the standard and read it.


steve1

by steve1 on 13 February 2008 - 21:02

Being Long coated has no bearing what so ever on the Dogs abiltiy to work in Schutzund etc. The lengh of a Dogs coat does not stop it working just a bit more effort to clean them up if its a wet and muddy day 

The way some talk as if they are a dieseise


by Speaknow on 13 February 2008 - 21:02

Fully agree, Czaja. If the GSD is to fulfill its role as a versatile working dog in all rough and tumble conditions it must have the coat(s) as laid down in the Standard; the rest is only academic I think. As well, the widespread protective ‘molly-coddling’ and as based on human notions of comfort – often by those most keen on the ‘working’ type of dog - doesn’t do the breed justice either. Our dog doesn't begin and end with schutzhund, Steve.

by Blitzen on 13 February 2008 - 21:02

Gawd, who said a longcoat can't work? The thread asked - is this dog a coat and if so how did he get a KKL1 and Va rating. As far as I know, those are the only 2 things a longcoat can't get per the SV.

It just kills me how so many here piss and moan that AKC allows any old dog to be bred and how they are ruining the breeds by not making rules.  It's as if breeders should never be held accountable for making poor breeding choices; it's easier to blame that on AKC. The SV makes rules but many don't want to follow them because they prevent their own dogs from being eligible for a Koer or a V rating.  Can't have it both ways, people, which do you want? An organization like the SV that is strict and does a decent job of overseeing the future of the breed here and in Germany, one like the AKC that is concerned only about pedigree accuracy and dog shows or how about the Continental KC where you can register a shep-a-poo or a Bonzai GSD puppy if that's what you want to do. If you want to breed imported GSD's per the SV standard of perfection,  why would you not start out with a dog with no visible disqualifying faults? 


sueincc

by sueincc on 13 February 2008 - 22:02

 

"I would like to sign up but Don't think we fit, just like here, I own working LC'S, we get bashed in here I don't want to waste my time to sign up and then go thrue bashing there too ,one bashing room is enough." (delacruz)

"......................in this forum we have some very Ignorant people who actually belive ONLY their dogs are the best, and no other dog is or can't be better then theirs.  What are they going to do or say once the LC's will be Aknowledged by the SV, BEING MORE IGNORANT?"

Lets get something straight.  No one has ever bashed anyone for owning a long coat.  Everyone has gone out of their way to mention how pretty we think they are, AND agreed they can do the work.  I think if you will take a moment, you will realize no one has any argument with you.   

YOU bash us because we disagree with you about whether or not they should be bred. 

 


by Tondawg on 13 February 2008 - 22:02

Geeez people.................sorry I asked


Shepherd Woman

by Shepherd Woman on 14 February 2008 - 00:02

Live and learn I guess Tondawg.  Sorry you went through that too!


steve1

by steve1 on 14 February 2008 - 13:02

Speaknow

Agree not all Dogs are Just for Schutzund, but then nor is ours, they are family pets they are not Show Dogs but then i have the fullest respect for those who keep Show G.S because like all things the training and presentation is an art and full credit to them

But then what else is there if you own working line Dogs. if you are going to treat them the way they should be, then you let them work they are doing something they like to do and enjoy it

Please tell what else there is for the working Shepherd other than being a family dog, plus a working Dog i will be interested to know


CaptMike

by CaptMike on 14 February 2008 - 20:02

Aye me made a repeat line breeding off me foundation gyp aye. She be an extreme dog in every sense of t' word. Serious off t' charts aye. She be t' very best of t' Maineiche/Karthago lines. Out of 2 identical breedings she had 1 coated male Aye. Me call him Razor aye. He be 3yrs now and me house dog aye. Razor be havin t' undercoat and he be havin t' black spots on his tongue aye. Me pics Suck, beyond suck aye. Me just has a cell phone . 2 terrible pics from a few days ago. One pic when he was but 5wks old aye. His face be so black it be hard to see his features aye. If we not be with t' lad when he cleans out, we put him on a little holding chain for a short time as it would  dangerous t' let him be free unattended.

 

 

 


by Speaknow on 15 February 2008 - 07:02

Hi Steve, Shrewd questions; probably take an essay to do it really justice and I can only speak for myself. Particularly since despite some contrary worldwide past and present pretence (hypocrisy?), the vast majority of GSD offspring by far end up as beloved and reliable family pets (and as of course materially drives this whole activity). A role fulfilled perfectly well by a long-coat or any one of a number of other breeds - whereas a cunning loveable little Terrier-like mongrel that visits regularly has an inherent street-sense and innate cleverness (still haven’t caught him!) that I wish I could somehow instill naturally in my purebreds (still haven’t caught him!) Despite this, putting it prettily, I do believe that responsible breeders have a duty to develop and protect this dog’s structure, senses, spirit and intelligence, and thus its utility as a helper of man in a variety of tasks. Personally I don’t think that the undue emphasis placed on schutzhund titling in itself does such a great job (particularly where some resort to e-collars for timely results, or to correct problems of temperament, over aggressiveness/hyper behavior and the like), but better not to go there! Never been impressed by the show and working dog divide – the first should be able to work and the latter should be anatomically fit for showing. Couldn’t agree more that a dog with strong work drives needs a daily task. They relish it, absolutely thrive on it, it’s what they were bred for. Their whole demeanor changes the moment they know it’s work-time. Wish I could do more in that direction myself. Still, fetching sticks thrown as far as possible every which way in quick succession will sound pretty amateurish, but I’ve turned it into a fairly fancy standby daily routine (couldn’t handle a whole bunch at once otherwise anyway!); incorporating a range of changing commands (ever see a line of Shepherds go belly up all at once?) as well as interposing other obedience elements. They get quite ‘busy’ and intent if at first they can’t find it, and each dog tends to guard its own stick jealously (I keep a pile of axed short two-inch pieces handy) and you’d think it was a sheep being protected (afterwards they trot off with it to their kennels and most have a good chew). And woe if I’m late when they’ve decided it’s time for their duty! The bite-work sophisticates here will laugh but years ago it’s all I could think up as something that might qualify as ongoing ‘work’ without leaving the property or taking up too much time. Most weekends I also take a couple to a local club for formal training or elsewhere for a bit of tracking/searching, if not unbridled fun.





 


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