Anyone see this at the BSP? - Page 5

This dog got ran. Simple as that.

I hate to see people trying to make excuses. Dog got stepped on, bad sleeve presentation, etc. Ididn't see any of that but even if it did happen so what? If the dog can't take getting stepped on or a slap in the face with a padded stick it is not a strong dog. Especially in a Sch routine this dog has seen hundreds of times. What would happen if this dog got something thrown at it on the entry and was hit with a garbage bag full of aluminum cans?

I believe the spectators bood becasue they felt once the dog showed it would not engage, the helper should have let up. That is the judges call. The whole purpose of this is supposed to be a test of character. Additionally it was a national event. If a dog gets run like that, the handler or trainer should have had a pretty idea the dog had problems by this time. Shame on them for putting the dog out there.

It is never pretty to see a dog get run. If I ever owned a dog that got run like they would be gone. If they had an environmental issue I thought could be worked on, that would be one thing. Run by a guy with a sleeve in a scenario it has seen 100's of times; bye bye.

The really sad thing is this dog will probably be sold some where to somone for alot of money.

Insiders confirm to me that the audience wasn't booing the dog, but the helper. I feel comfortable with that statement, as I felt quite sorry for this team. We all know shit happens. I'd like to see top-contender-dogs' reactions when I make them miss the sleeve on purpose. Anyway!

Now let's imagine for just one second, that this team (competitor and dog) would come from the Landesgruppe of Dr. Helmut Raiser?!

I'm not saying it is, but I reflect on this possiblity. "NO, Dr. Raiser, you have obtained 293 points in the selection, but we don't like you, we don't like what you stand for, and we don't even like your dog. So we'll send the next best from our club."

For those who can't follow my thinking, please check other thread:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/128419.html

I sure hope the dog comes from another Landesgruppe than Helmuts!

Gee! Now THAT would be embarrasing for the LG!

The dog in question was a female and from Landesgruppe 14. The spectators did not like that the helper kept driving her and putting pressure on her, despite the fact that she was already in avoidance. Whatever the cause of her performance was on that given day, she was a top competitor before. It takes a lot of selection in Germany to go to the BSP. People were unhappy because they are wondering if she is now traumatized and done with the sport, but they can't agree if it is unsportsmanlike behaviour on the helper's side or if the judge should have payed more attention and called it off earlier.

Chris

Wait a minute.  This is a trial.  It is to test the dog.  It is one of the biggest trials in the world.  What is the worst thing that happened?  The handler was a bit embarrased.  What should the helper have done, stop the threat so the dog could get a bite?  What would that have done?  Would that have saved the dog's career?  What career does the dog have now that is has been tested?  Do you want that dog to be bred?  The dog failed and I feel for the team.  Truly I do, but this is what the trial was designed to do.  If someone cannot take this, stick to the club level trials where the club helper can help your dog pass.   

I agree Don that "soft" way of thinking is what has put the sport where it is now. What will be cut out next, the courage test?

the helper is SUPPOSED to continue the drive and the threat, no matter if the dog is on the sleeve or not.  If the dog leaves the helper, then the helper MUST show the dog the sleeve AND the threat, go into the dog and if the dog doesn't engage, chase him away.  Maybe this woudln't happen at club trials - but it would happen at Regional, National, and ESPECIALLY at the BSP level - it is what the helper must do!  He is just doing his job, testing the dog and finishing the test - the dog is given the opportunity to come back into the threat and take the grip that is offered him.

molly

The dog in question was a female and from Landesgruppe 14. The spectators did not like that the helper kept driving her and putting pressure on her, despite the fact that she was already in avoidance. Whatever the cause of her performance was on that given day, she was a top competitor before. It takes a lot of selection in Germany to go to the BSP. People were unhappy because they are wondering if she is now traumatized and done with the sport, but they can't agree if it is unsportsmanlike behaviour on the helper's side or if the judge should have payed more attention and called it off earlier.

Chris

This is the correct reaction ,   the other female from Schmiedegarten was also chased but  not on you tube

if a dog is chased 4 meters away there is no need for to do it another 4 meters  thats unsportsmanlike behavior

one or 2 meters is already enough to end the test  with  0 points

I can truly not understand what is the big deal here , the dog failed , so what ?  do you know what happend with her outside the stadium before they got in , how there was worked????????? a last hard method for the out??? no ,you dont know cause you were not there.....

and if it happens to 2 dogs (females) from 122.......  it are animals !!

and as Cris said , you dont know how difficult the selection are   I assume,   and Molly its not so easy as in the US

Molly,

maybe that is how it is done here in the U.S. But in Germany, the regulations say that the helper has to stop immediately, as soon as the dog is in avoidance.

Anyway, like Ilse said, this dog came a long way and it was not a coincidence that she was at the BSP. Therefore, it is wrong to assume that she has a weak character, period. Whatever caused it, is not what usually happens.

Back to happier things!

Nelle from Belgium has put a lot of short video clips onto youtube, so far three pages worth of BSP participants in B and C. Thanks for that

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=topwedstrijden&p=r

Chris

That’s how it is done in Germany also

How can the helper also do the judge’s job? What happens when the helper and the judge disagree? The helper runs the dog until the judge tells him to stop. Period.

Unless the dog was sick or injured there is nothing sad about this situation other than the handlers training falling apart on a weak dog. In fact the helper may have done everyone a favor by exposing the dog for what it truly is. And if the dog is so weak that this one experience ruins it for all future trials it was too weak to be in the sport in the first place.

The reaction to this reminds me of Simon on American Idol. Everyone says that he so mean because he tells people that they stink in a very blunt manner. But actually he is being much kinder than those so-called friends that told them that they were great singers. Simon tells it like it is thus freeing the person to pursue something that they may have a true talent for.

Maybe this bitch’s owner should try another sport with her?

And trust me, no dog turns tail and runs like this and the handler doesn’t know that the dog is a runner. When do we boo the handler for putting such a weak dog in that situation?

I really enjoyed watching Uwe vd Jungen hansen's protection ruitine.. Very powerful gripwork, helpers had a hard time driving him..