Kraftwerkk9 - Page 5

In this case , its the dog......no amount of advertising can change this sick dog...but I still thinks there something that was missed here...How did it get from germany to USa , stay here with hands on by losts of people, and I guess it was bred,,,no one has said,,,and then bingo,,it is air flighted to this buyer with a terminal disease, if not treated immediatly, and misdiagnosed two times.....

Wonder where Kraftwerkk9 is in all this........????? Havent heard the other side of the story.....and every issue has two sides....Do all breeders sell their 2-4 year old titled dogs to someone here with guarantees, and health certificates.....and if dog becomes suddenly sick,,,what do they do.......? and how is it handled....I assume this V rated dog is tatooed and it is really the same dog that everyone knew as son of Larus von Batu and that Kraftwerkk9 can prove it is the same dog......

Epi and issues can come about at any age.....Being the german shepherd has the greatest genes for excelling in intelligence, versatility, and working capabilities, guiding, police work search and rescue herding  and the last of which is a loyal devoted family conpanion, it also carries the genes for hereditary diseases....which Bloat, spinal decay and pancreatic problems have plagued generations of GSDs.   and now we deal with it.....hard thing to do......

Yellowrose.

He is tatooed.  We also received all the paperwork for the times he was shown in Europe and his KKl1 paperwork as well as the vet certs.  I have no doubt he is who they said he was, a V-rated son of Larus von Batu.  I have a theory, totally unprovable, that his breeder may have seen signs of a problem and decided to sell him for that reason.  His picture is still on their website, so I think they had plans to use him as a stud.  We have been told that IBD like EPI is an increasing problem in GSD's and often has it's onset in young adults, precipitated by changes in food or water or stress or food allergies or who knows what.  He had been subjected to most of those in the months before we got him.

I also believe, totallly unprovable again, that Kraftwerk knew his was sick well before they shipped him but did so anyway to get rid of a bad investment.  I don't believe they knew what his problems were, just that he was not well.  We were very quickly offered money toward vet bills when I called to tell them he had arrived sick.  As a previous posting said, paying a lot does not guarantee a healthy dog, nor does a KKl1 or V rating.  In retrospect, we obviously should have waited until a reputable breeder within driving distance had an adult male we wanted and we could put our hands on.  That's water under the bridge, but perhaps someone else can learn from our experience.

Yes, and if you have some clubs near you, if you want an adult and are willing to pay that  kind of price for a top titled V rated dog, some of the top contenders in schutzhund here in Usa do sell their recently trained dog , to go  on to another one and to concentrate  , soley on the new one...T Floyd, just sold one of his to the man we got Myah from out of Iska v Kapbush and I do not know what he paid for him but it wasnt pocker change, and T being the trainer he is , and well known would not chance that kind of deal   selling a dog with a known problem...and after got him trained , if he had a weakness, it would have shown up,,unless its one of those pancreatic diseases. , and they do lie in wait and come about due to change and traumatic issues in the dogs life....I wonder what the dog thinks after all those months making someone the best and doing what his master wanted , to now fo to someone else.......? dogs are like humans ,and Yes , Jeff, I hope you dont get a tummy ache and your significant other throws you back....hahahaha     lol     Its called Tough Love,

Crimmson,

You SHOULD give Carrie and Nathan from Heimatt (aka runfast) a call if you are looking for a puppy!!!!  They have some phenomenal puppies on the ground and just about ready to go!  They don't live too far from me and I have met them at trials and talked to them a little and they are GREAT people!!  If I could get a new puppy right now it would definately be out of the litter they have right now! 

Vickie

www.PowerHausKennels.com

This is an important line of postings in my view. It summarizes the essence of the typical problems of the GSD buyer verses the breeder/sellor.  It is a question of minimizing risks by whatever means available.  There are no 100% guarentees, but through due dilligence one can minimize risk.  However there is alweays the chance of a problem with the GSD either slipping by the breeder or the breeder trying to slip it by the buyer. This can eaasily happen to good folks.  I tend to agree with Jeff O's statements.  But I also understand the attachment process that occurs with caring owners who do everything possible to obtain the best care possible for a GSD they love very much.  I've been in this type of position before and used the exit ramp when I knew my GSD couldn't live a normal life (stroke issue).  This is heart breaking stuff and my best wishes go out to you, DoubleX.  I do agree that it always best when one deals with a breeder of the highest integrity and one that truly understands just how difficult it is to breed healthy puppies.  There are great breeders with high ethics, but they are not the majority.  I don't think DoubleX could have done much more than they did other than inspecting the animal in person and perhaps a stool sample taken by the vet would have shown some abnormal cells (maybe not). 

Preston, good post. Jeff Oelhsen, I hear and understand you 100%. DoubleX, it is a painful and emotional ordeal that some of us have gone through yet decided to keep the dog and allow it as normal a life as possible. Where I am going with this as presented is covered in the statement, "sometimes life is not fair." How much was known about the dog before the initial transfer and subsequent sale? Was anything known? None of us here will ever know unless it is determined by an investigation ordered by a court of law. Could the outcome have been handled differently? Sure it could have, and while it may have left a bit of lingering doubt about the practices of some or certain breeders, it may have provided you with some satisfaction. It appears that you practiced due diligence in seeking the dog of choice, but fate intervened and life has changed. The important thing here is the dog, as he did not ask to be born into this world and has absolutely capacity for self-determination.

Regards,

Bob-O

QUOTE: ....I wonder what the dog thinks after....I wonder what the dog thinks after all those months making someone the best and doing what his master wanted , to now fo to someone else.......? dogs are like humans ,and Yes , Jeff, I hope you dont get a tummy ache and your significant other throws you back....hahahaha     lol     Its called Tough Love,, to now fo to someone else.......? dogs are like humans ,and Yes , Jeff, I hope you dont get a tummy ache and your significant other throws you back....hahahaha   

OK, here we go on the Walt Disney world ride again. Mr bluebird on her shoulder. Here is a cute quote going for the heartstrings just like good old Walt. "....I wonder what the dog thinks"  Well I am sure that you do, but lets face it, it isn't all that much. Lets look at the rest of this shall we??? Yaaaaaaa! ! ! ! !

Dogs are like humans. WTF??????? Please tell me you are kidding. In what way???? God that is some amatuer shit.

Quote:  all those months making someone the best and doing what his master wanted

Like a dogs have not been selectively bred to do this for how many centurys now??? Like any of us couldn't take anyones dog and make it our own in about three weeks???? Well, with this statement, maybe not you......LOL

As far as me getting a tummy ache, I eat the grey meat in the fridge, and can drink the chunky milk. Purple fuzz??? No problem. Scary isn't it??

Don't buy dogs/pups that you can not see! If you can go there then do it. As far as I am concerned" no thank you to Kraftwerk".For us it was 3 strikes and your out! All 3 pups were no good.I know you take your chances when you buy pups and I know we were silly to pay that kind of money( 1 was a replacement pup).Ever notice that he does'nt keep any of his breeding stock for very long.

DOGS DO HAVE FEELINGS AND DOGS DO GET STRESSED   ........THEY ARENT ROBOTS...

MANY A TOP SHEPHERD HAS FAILED A LEG OF TRIAL, OR DONE POORLY, BECAUSE OF ISSUES , AND THOSE ISSUE WERE DUE TO THE HUMAN THAT THEY WERE ON THE OTHER END OF THE LEASH WITH  OR CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE DAY......THEY REACT JUST LIKE WE DO TO LOTS OF THINGS........YOUR EMOTIONS AT THE TIME AND PLACE DO EFFECT YOUR DOG........

AND I DONT WORK FOR WALT DISNEY

Janette.

I've noticed how Kraftwerk cycles their breeding stock pretty quickly.  The studs are brought in, all SchH3 not trained at Kraftwerk, used for a short while and then they are gone.  They keep the females longer, if they produce well, and then they're sold at a big "discount" at 6 or 7.  So much for a well-deserved retirement...  At one time in the last year or so they had 17 breeding females shown on the website, but it is now down to 9.  However, they still have about six litters on the ground currently.  Maybe that's how you run a business.  I don't know.

Bob-O.

You are absolutely right.  Life is not fair, generally, and you have to deal with what you have to deal with.  We did what we thought was right at the time, but now that we know better, we'll do better.  Sometimes, the bad stuff ends up with it's own rewards.  We have cared for this dog in ways I never suspected I would any animal (making pills, giving shots, cleaning up messes, and making weekly trips to the vet).  As a result, the bond we have with him is unlike the one we have with our female.  I suppose it is a feeling of greater accomplishment.  A lot more work but a great deal of satisfaction.  Our vet thought he wouldn't survive at first, and now says he wouldn't if he had landed somewhere else.

Yellowrose.

If you work at Disney Land, so do I.  And our dogs are happy that we do.

Jeff.

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