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by gsdlvr2 on 06 April 2007 - 16:04
Thanks for all the links and help. I am following up on all of it. Have already sent e mail to Ulf and Chey. The one to Chey came back to me and Winnie doesn't have one listed. Does anyone have a current e mail for Winnie or Chey?
by DesertRangers on 06 April 2007 - 16:04
Actually this is an very intersting post. I have been around people who use livestock dog dogs and most use Great pynrese or Anatolian dogs. Some also use donkeys especially if stray dogs are a problem. Sometimes a guard dogs will allow another dog to hang around but a donkey will not. The donkey tends not to go after wild animals such as coyote etc. My brother in law uses both depending on his concern.
by DesertRangers on 06 April 2007 - 16:04
Actually this is an very intersting post. I have been around people who use livestock dog dogs and most use Great pynrese or Anatolian dogs. Some also use donkeys especially if stray dogs are a problem. Sometimes a guard dogs will allow another dog to hang around but a donkey will not. The donkey tends not to go after wild animals such as coyote etc. My brother in law uses both depending on his concern.
by Blitzen on 06 April 2007 - 17:04
I've just read that llamas are also popular for guarding livestock.
It just doesn't seem right, does it? Imagining shepherds using donkeys and llamas to guard their sheep is like imaging eskimos riding snowmobiles LOL.
by Sunsilver on 06 April 2007 - 17:04
I found an article here http://www.german-shepherdherding.com/manfred-english/index.html that explains how to select a puppy for herding. The source of the info is an interview with 74 year old Shäfermeister Manfred Heyne, who has spent most of his life herding sheep with GSD's.
And yes, you need a real live lamb in order to do the test properly, otherwise you're just guessing!
by Blitzen on 06 April 2007 - 17:04
Great links, Sunsilver, thanks!! I loved Heyne's statement - the GSD laughs as its tending the flock.
by Blitzen on 06 April 2007 - 17:04
Another good link:
http://www.workingdogs.com/ulfgolden.htm
by gsdlvr2 on 06 April 2007 - 20:04
Great article Sunsilver! Now all I have to do is borrow a lamb. That should be easy especially this time of year. Whether or not I do decide to sell a pup to this man, I have learned alot about an aspect of GSD's that I was not familiar with. I found it interesting that you do want a higher prey drive dog vs lower which is what I was originally guessing. Just not the one that is over the top.
by Sunsilver on 06 April 2007 - 20:04
Gsdlvr2, I know you're no doubt keen to sell your pups, but just remember what Heyne says: a lot of the herding ability is genetic. The pup either has it or he doesn't.
I'll be most interested to hear your report on how this goes. I'm wondering how many German Shepherds retain their herding instinct when it's not something that's done very much anymore. Still, the prey drive is important in Schutzhund, and many of the herding dog pedigrees I glanced at when researching this topic had Schutzhund 3 titled dogs in their ancestry.
by gsdlvr2 on 06 April 2007 - 21:04
I am not overly keen to sell my pups.
I usually turn away people. I suspect the genetics are there ,but I will assess that with livestock . Even if this buyer doesn't get a pup for one reason or another, I still want to know about my pups so I will try to borrow or buy a lamb regardless. If I don't think the pup is the right one for this person or any other person, I won't sell. Since the sire is good with protecting my tiny flock it may indicate the right genetics..maybe not. Time will tell.
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