Fair price for a spayed 2 yr old female - Page 4

Rob, The show is in Statesville, NC. A spayed female could be entered against the rules. Females are not able to be checked as easy as males to see if they have been spayed for obvious reasons. It's an honor system that a unqualifying dog not be entered. To show this dog would be a violation of the rules. The results will be posted on the GSDCA-WDA website and on the Carolina German Shepherd Working Dog Club website after the show. You can see the results there. Just competing in the class is not an indication of quality, the rating given would be an indication. The best rating a dog can get in this class is SG. This rating covers dogs that would be V rated if titled and dogs that are truly SG rated. There's no way to differentiate in this class. Bottom line is still what you think of her and what's she's worth to you.

Dog1, I will be very interested in seeing those results as well as getting some answers from the "breeder" I've been dealing with...I left her a few e-mails and so far she has not responded, she might already have left for NC...??? This is not finished but I feel the outcome will be determined by what she has to say to me about some of the things that have been said here...Or is that brought to light...??? One way or the other I will find out what the deal is even if I have to expose that person to get to the truth...That could and would hurt her from a business point of view...If she has been dishonest, not only shame on her but after this is all said and done I'm afraid so will she be...So far i have not named her or the kennel out of respect and integrity, that should go both ways... Until proven wrong I will give her the benefit of any doubt as I just refuse to accept that a breeder of her quality would be as dishonest as it appears she might be...Call me a fool... To be continued... Rob

Rob, Based on everything you have said here. If I were you I would consider walking away from this situation. Weird that this breeder/owner would allow a show dog to be spayed or not is not the question here although suspicious. More like it sounds like this woman is a flake and her ethics are elsewhere. I hope their are fines or suspensions if this spayed female places high in her class. Birdy...

Rob, It's great to extend the benefit of the doubt. I hope there is a simple misunderstanding. If you mention their name here, one of two situations occur. Either situation will not be flattering to the breeder. They may be perceived as experienced and have engaged in unethical practices to convince you a dogs value is X amount. (based in information and conditions you have stated in your posts here) This would be someone with superior knowledge taking advantage of someone with less knowledge to possibly profit by misrepresenting facts or knowingly breaking rules to enhance the perceived value of a dog They may be clueless and you have an opinion based on their misinformation. Sometimes clueless people are not dishonest.They just don't know what they are talking about and in their misinformed mind are telling the truth. There's usually only one or two dogs in the untitled class. I'm sure some of the folks there following this thread will be wondering which dog it is. Don't be surprised if the dog is sick Saturday and for some reason doesn't show.

Rob, I have been reading this and I am truly puzzled. What are you trying to accomplish here? My guess is that you want to force this breeder to sell you that female for a cheaper price, because you really want this dog. If this is the case, that is highly unethical on your side as well. Somebody should warn the other party! You are threatening exposure if she does not give you what you want. Yet, on another board you describe her in glowing words and yes, you named her in the past! I know exactly who you are talking about. Why can't you just accept her price and decide if you are willing to pay it or not! If not, just say: Thanks, but no thanks and walk away! No dog should be a pawn in a game like that!

No I have not threatened nor implied that I would either embaress her or anything else like that...What I said was if it did turn out that she was being dishohest with me from the git go then i would name her...I do not want this to happen... Just the fact that I have not nor will I name this person should say more than what you read into this...I am not now or have ever tried to make the breeder sell me the dog at a reduced price, I have been trying to get from here what would be considered a fair price...Thankfully I have... I resent your implications here and ask that you go back to the board from which you came and mind your own business, I know who you are and what you represent...You are so wrong in what you perceive here that it would be beter if you just go away and do what you seem to do best...LURK... All I've tried to accomplish were the facts, others might have said things but I have stood by this breeder and continue to until its proven that either what she said were lies or she is being deceptive...I want to do business with her but not at any cost, why should anyone have to pay too high a price for something that isn't worth what someone might think or say it is...You and I both know I can get any puppy from almost any breeder for the price she wants for a 2+yr old spayed female, thats the point...I will continue to give her the benefit of any doubt until she proves to me she has misled me, until them I think she is as good as the rest of you breeders out there...Please don't assume and never put words in my mouth... I also have the right to wonder how an experienced breeder allows one of her prized bitches to be accidently spayed, don't I have the right to know if I'm an interested buyer...???I have made no claims that this person has been or will be unethical, yes she is showing the dog this weekend in NC., I had no idea what she is doing was wrong until someone pointed that out to me, as a "novice" I depend upon those in the know to help me as most of the people on this board have... I would prefer that the breeder never be named and if you do then its you who incurrs the wrath of the courts for defemation of character, I like this person but if its proven she had been dishonest then I will just walk away and not do business with her...At that time it would be disingenuine not to warn others...I really hope it never comes to that and that there was a misunderstanding between her and I, I doubt it but until that time I will continue to give her the benefit of any and all doubt...Don't make trouble where there isn't any... Funny how nobody but you came to those conclusions... Rob

Rob, I think you either conveniently "forget" what you wrote yourself or you are confused. Here you write that you have not nor will you name this person, but the fact is that you already did in connection with the female accidentally been spayed.For your convenience, I could provide you with a link per email, if you wish. So, please do not put words in my mouth and do not threaten me with defamation but rather take a good long look at yourself in the mirror. Personally, you sound very defensive to me, now that I have questioned your motives. You do not want to name the breeder, because you want to do business with her, unless you find out that she lied to you. You demand that you have a right to find out why this female was spayed. In addition, "someone" pointed out to you that showing a spayed female is against regulations. So, you had to publish that fact here for everybody to read as well. But no, you want to maintain a good relationship with her and have nothing but praise for her. Wow, anybody who has frineds/clients like you is not in need of enemies anymore. I do not know the breeder in question personally, but have repeatedly met her on boards and found her to be a nice sincere person, who does not deserve that kind of treatment. All these questions you put here on the open for everybody to read should be answered by her in private. So, you know me and what I represent? That is really funny, since I do not know you. Please introduce yourself the next time at a show and do not tell me to go away. That is downright rude, Rob. Have a great day, The LURKER (sounds scary, doesn't it)

You are a trouble maker and I will not dignify your accusations with a response, if you wish to continue this conversation by all means drop me an e-mail... I can be found at mrarebe@netscape.net otherwise just go away and do what you seem to do best... R

Oh Rob, whatever! I am the troublemaker? That is really funny! Switching words around again? I have not accused you of anything atall. I have merely listed facts, Rob. Yes, I go away now, because it is a waste of time to argue with you. L

So Rob, what ever happened with this situation????