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animules, A small correction on Sire 92, dam 79, puppy 85 - the lower number will be assigned (the division result is 85.5) As far as I know there is not yet an agreement between the SV and USA on the Zuchtwert. This means that you can only assign a Zuchtwert to the first generation, which is the litter of your dam and sire who do have a Zuchtwert. And, without an agreement, you cannot lower the Zuchtwert either on the offsprings later on, nor can you lower the Zuchtwert on dam and sire by producing a better litter. The Zuchtwert remains stationary after the dog has been exported, and with the litter not being whelped in Germany, the Zuchtwert you assign to the puppies of your litter may not be entered into the SV data base. I strongly suggest that breed wardens on this forum start working towards a solution. With the Zuchtwert remaining stationary, any faults in the puppies will not be recorded in the Zuchtwertliste. Any further breedings between one of the dogs with a Zuchtwert to a dog without a Zuchtwert will not result in a penalty like it would in Germany. Further more, the health tests on the American continent are not being accepted by the SV. Therefore, breeders will have to get their hip x-ray done in Germany. A dog in Denmark can get a Zuchtwert and so can dogs from other European countries. Special regulations may apply on how the SV handles those individual dogs who apply for a Zuchtwert. It has to do with the ancestors. I know of a female from another working dog breed who was a puppy in a litter produced in South Africa and then returned to Germany into the ownership of a Zuchtwart (breed warden) This female was assigned the Zuchtwert norm of 100 (which is also the upper limit for HD) and then with this handicap if we may call it a handicap went into the competition/health testing and finally breeding program, and lowered her Zuchtwert by careful selection of sires. Russia for example has high HD Zuchtwerte and few dogs actually make it into the rating. Other eastern countries who use German dogs in their breeding program have a better chance to get a rating. But, when a dog receives a rating of ZW 120 or ZW 130, and I have seen a few of those, the breeding line is finished, completely finished, because this dog or bitch will produce dysplastic puppies. Has anybody on this Forum returned a puppy to an owner in Germany? From a Zuchtwert breeding? There appear to be some breeders, I believe Mittelwest may be one of them, who have bred litters from dam and sire with a Zuchtwert. It would be interesting to find out how the SV handled such a puppy. It would give this continent more insight on how to handle a successful negotiation with the SV and come up with a decent breeding program.

Apologize for this error, you were right animules, the higher number will be assigned, 86 is the correct Zuchtwert for the litter. Must be late, too many long hours on the computer - NO, not the internet, just the computer!

In August 2000, a year after the SV introduced officially the Zuchtwert on the GSD, Fred Lanting wrote an article in English. It is still on the net if you like to read through it. No updates have been posted in English on the subject. Breed value and the GSD - The SV Zuchtwert programme by Fred Lanting, Aug. 2000 http://www.vanerp.net/ilse/GSDINFO/Breed%20value%20and%20the%20GSD.htm#Definition%20of%20the%20Breed%20Value

although this seems unrealistic, if ernst produced a litter of hd free pups? what would that do to his zw #? i'm willing to learn from anyone that will teach. i also am now in need of a stud dog when my female is older. since her pedigree is virtually all a1's with a couple of a2's would it be permissable to find the trait's i want improved in her and breed with another a1 or a2 to produce quality pups? thanks kenny

KKR Gsd2 Just step back and start over. I don't know and do not need to know who Ernst is. But, you need to do your homework first. You have a computer and internet connection! If this Ernst or any other person bred a litter and you are interested in a puppy, then you request copies of the pedigrees of dam anbd sire. On these copies, you'll find registration numbers. If not, you may have to collect thgem yourself from other sources. Take each SV registration number and run it through the SV website Zuchtwertliste, starting from either end, front or back, all 62 dogs in the 5 generation pedigree. Please, do not ask anybody else to do the work for you. Forget about the a stamps for now. Make a note beside each dog of its Zuchtwert. If suddenly you stumble onto a registration number showing a Zuchtwert of over 100, better be on the alert. If you find no Zuchtwert on one of the dogs, toss out the idea of getting a puppy regardless on how many a stamps are in that line. If you find a Zuchtwert of 110 or 120, forget about the breeder. He will hang his puppies onto an importer or broker complete with a stamps. There is no such thing as a breeder going out and hope for improving a ZW 120 by mating with a dog who has a low Zuchtwert. No breeder will be that stupid. This was never the purpose of the Zuchtwert. ZW 120 will produce HD affected puppies in further generation, so, if such a breeder in Germany produces from a ZW 120, he'll likely be a broker and ship those puppies to America.

Uvar, Thank you, many times thank you. I have saved the site you posted about to the article so I can read and read again. We will continue with our plans to get ours "a" stamped as I believe this is the best way to rate the dogs. Rate against the GSD standard, not every other breed as OFA does. It is nice to know what their ZW rating is based on their parents. Thank you again, Tina

When Schutzhund USA started the breed warden system, if I remember correctly it was about two months after Paul Meloy resigned that breed wardens were appointed throughout USA, I expected the breeding program in USA to improve. And, it did for a while, until Germany introduced the Zuchtwert system, announced it on 01 January 1999 and it came into effect six months later. We knew then that Germany had cut off the American continent, probably given up on it. In the following years the Zuchtwert in Germany was introduced on other breeds with the same goal, to improve the breeds. The few of us who have dogs with a Zuchtwert are now stuck on the American continent. We have to return to Germany if we want to stay competitive and breed our dogs. Almost seven years have gone by since the introduction of the Zuchtwert on the GDS in Germany, and what has USA done to improve the GSD? What is USA waiting for? There is a thread on this forum asking what have you done to improve the breed? What has USA done since Germany cut the American continent off in 1999?