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by Sangreinu on 21 October 2010 - 14:10
We were taking care of a small wolf mix female named Pepper. She was my aunts "dog" but we were taking care of her for a few months. She was quiet, nonconfrontational, and fairly independant.
I was elementary school age at the time. My friend and I was out playing out front while a Doberman was barking at us through a window across the street. We didn't pay any attention to him because he was in the house. Well the doberman broke through the window and started charging us. Pepper,who was laying down in my driveway 3 houses away was up and on the doberman before my parents had a chance to take three steps.
My mom got us safely in the house, While my dad was chasing after the doberman who at this point was chasing Pepper.
Pepper was the smaller dog, and after we were safe her only intrest was getting away. She was untrained, and not intentionally bred by anyone.
So yeah IMO dog can be brave and show courage.
I was elementary school age at the time. My friend and I was out playing out front while a Doberman was barking at us through a window across the street. We didn't pay any attention to him because he was in the house. Well the doberman broke through the window and started charging us. Pepper,who was laying down in my driveway 3 houses away was up and on the doberman before my parents had a chance to take three steps.
My mom got us safely in the house, While my dad was chasing after the doberman who at this point was chasing Pepper.
Pepper was the smaller dog, and after we were safe her only intrest was getting away. She was untrained, and not intentionally bred by anyone.
So yeah IMO dog can be brave and show courage.
by MAINLYMAX on 21 October 2010 - 15:10
Don,
I Started working Malinois in 1992. But I did
not own one until 1997. I saw the breed take giant
steps in the direction I wanted to go. But I always
saw more prey and defense in the Malinois than
any other breed......A Man from Belgium told me once
you could tell a Malinois to throw himself in front of a train
and he would do it.......
Dogs see imaginary threats and bark,...they deal with this
on a daily basis......In time as they mature and over come
their fear by acting with aggression and training.
I Started working Malinois in 1992. But I did
not own one until 1997. I saw the breed take giant
steps in the direction I wanted to go. But I always
saw more prey and defense in the Malinois than
any other breed......A Man from Belgium told me once
you could tell a Malinois to throw himself in front of a train
and he would do it.......
Dogs see imaginary threats and bark,...they deal with this
on a daily basis......In time as they mature and over come
their fear by acting with aggression and training.
by MAINLYMAX on 21 October 2010 - 15:10
There are very good working dogs that are too much
dog for most people to handle. Both German Shepherd,
and Malinois.
The real test is on the street or in War.
dog for most people to handle. Both German Shepherd,
and Malinois.
The real test is on the street or in War.
by MAINLYMAX on 21 October 2010 - 17:10
Decoy.............I take your basket...!!!!....Little dog...!!!
Azar.............Go ahead and try .....and you will draw back a nub...!!
Decoy..........You are just a little prey bitch, ..if I throw a tennis ball
you will run after it....
Azar...........Try and take my basket and will put you in a world of pain.
But don't take my word for it.....Make me prove it...!!
by crhuerta on 29 October 2010 - 02:10
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by Pirates Lair on 29 October 2010 - 04:10
First off, I personally think it is important to understand that we are all animals; Humans obviously are more evolved than dogs.
Having said that, all living creatures share 1 thing in common, survival instinct – fight or flight.
So what is courage?
If you have no place to run, you are forced to fight or submit - fear
If you can run, but choose to fight – courage
In the case of a dog they will (just my opinion) rely on their instinct and normally choose to run if that is an option.
In the case of a well trained dog who has had encouragement and confidence instilled in them, they will choose to fight even though they have the option of flight.
Is this courage?
In my opinion it is, because no matter how good the training, a dog either has inherent courage or they don’t. The same as people.
Having said that, all living creatures share 1 thing in common, survival instinct – fight or flight.
So what is courage?
If you have no place to run, you are forced to fight or submit - fear
If you can run, but choose to fight – courage
In the case of a dog they will (just my opinion) rely on their instinct and normally choose to run if that is an option.
In the case of a well trained dog who has had encouragement and confidence instilled in them, they will choose to fight even though they have the option of flight.
Is this courage?
In my opinion it is, because no matter how good the training, a dog either has inherent courage or they don’t. The same as people.
by VonIsengard on 29 October 2010 - 04:10
Interesting thoughts, PL,. Where would you class a dog who genuinely enjoys engaging aggressively, I suppose it could be defined as fight drive. Is it courage if the dog enjoys it, or only if the dog does it from necessity?
by Pirates Lair on 29 October 2010 - 04:10
My understanding is that dogs possess; Prey Drive- chase the bunny , and Defensive Drive- lets fight.
For the purpose of a personal protection dog , you want a good blend of both.
Is it courage if the dog enjoys it? How does anyone know if the dog enjoys it
If a dog has to fight out of neccessity ? What does that mean? Not being rude just looking for clarification.
I think this is a great subject to continue discussing
For the purpose of a personal protection dog , you want a good blend of both.
Is it courage if the dog enjoys it? How does anyone know if the dog enjoys it
If a dog has to fight out of neccessity ? What does that mean? Not being rude just looking for clarification.
I think this is a great subject to continue discussing
by VonIsengard on 29 October 2010 - 04:10
Oh, I think if you know your dog you know full well if they enjoy seriously engaging an aggressor, helper or otherwise.
Necessity, I would say, when the dog fights because they must (on a lead, back to a wall, etc) as opposed to a dog that eagerly and willingly brings the fight to the "bad guy" well before feeling forced to do so. Of course this is pertinent when discussing more PPD work than sport.
Necessity, I would say, when the dog fights because they must (on a lead, back to a wall, etc) as opposed to a dog that eagerly and willingly brings the fight to the "bad guy" well before feeling forced to do so. Of course this is pertinent when discussing more PPD work than sport.
by Pirates Lair on 29 October 2010 - 05:10
Absolutely!!! But first off people need to understand that Schutzhund/French Ring dogs are Sport Dogs. Highly trained athletes, but it is a game for them.
Police/Personal Protection Dogs are in a different class. So yes….I believe that a “Professionally Trained Police/Personal Protection Dog enjoys engaging in a Fight.
If they are any good! And if they are good it is due in part to their inherent courage. Dogs are much like people; we have a number of dogs that really do enjoy the fight, and some that will fight because of necessity (real or perceived threat to handler). Both types (in my mind have courage), now we have to look at personalities, much like people.
From my experience the boy’s are strong & tough but tend to be lazy….I’ll fight with you if continue to be a threat. The girls are ready to fight at the drop of a hat,
no warning forth coming
Police/Personal Protection Dogs are in a different class. So yes….I believe that a “Professionally Trained Police/Personal Protection Dog enjoys engaging in a Fight.
If they are any good! And if they are good it is due in part to their inherent courage. Dogs are much like people; we have a number of dogs that really do enjoy the fight, and some that will fight because of necessity (real or perceived threat to handler). Both types (in my mind have courage), now we have to look at personalities, much like people.
From my experience the boy’s are strong & tough but tend to be lazy….I’ll fight with you if continue to be a threat. The girls are ready to fight at the drop of a hat,
no warning forth coming
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