Breeding Untitled Female....???? - Page 4

Hy kc

Well apparently,you and I think different on this subject.
A lot of people are looking for a wonderfull companion,and friend,they dont vision their friend being aggressive and biting anything.
I personally love Sch my self,but not many in Canada do. Ive had Shepherds long before I even heard of Sch.
You will nerver get any excuses from me.  May I ask you a guestion? does a person that does not like Sch.not deserve a German Shepherd?  Is everything that you dont agree with,or dont want to hear an excuse.
By the way,they cant give the working line shepherds away in our area. 


 God bless

 gouda 

"Contrary to what is often used as an excuse, there certainly are more Clubs in Germany but there is not one in every small town, A TOTAL FALACY! "

Uh, no...I didn't say every small town, I said virtually every and having lived there myself for several years, I stand by that statement.

"I'm sorry to say that the traveling distance to Clubs to train doesn't hold water, it's just another excuse."

Then why aren't you making that drive and training your own dogs?

 A lot of you are living in Disney Land. 

Keith.............damn it, we're agreeing too much lately. I second everything Keith said.

And then there's this simple fact: there are PEOPLE who don't like Schutzhund. Yep; it's true. And sometimes, they have good dogs and an eye for good dogs. Personally, I can see why other people like it, but it's not my thing. Sure, I like to go to a club occasionally, but there are many other things I like to do w/the dogs, and to be honest, I learn way more about my dogs' temperaments doing this than I ever would if I were a "good" person who took them to the club religiously, did our thing, then put them back in the kennel (not saying all sport people do this- just making an example of how this situation can make a breeder appear more responsible, when in all actuality this person has little knowledge of their dogs' every day temperaments).

And folks, I hate to break it to ya, but if ya'll really think you need some special credentials to pick a good SchH prospect(anticipating the argument against the breeder who doesn't title their own dogs), then you're really overthinking the sport. And yes, it's a sport. It's just one facet of a dog's temperament. I wouldn't waste money feeding a good proportion of titled dogs I meet. 

Kelly made excellent points regarding the time and money factor, and how if your intentions are pure, and you believe a bitch will better the breed, why would you spend the time and money on every single prospect if you have no idea if she can even reproduce herself? Not saying it's a waste of time and money, but in certain circumstances, it can be detrimental. 

Here's a personal example of what I mean. I recently acquired a phenomenal 3yr old. She was waaaay too much dog for the home she was in when the owner's life changed and couldn't commit to SchH. I have spent several months learning all about her temperament, I spent the money to have her xrayed, and I'm totally satisfied with her on all counts. She's got great structure, is totally stable, very confident, has awesome hips, and is higher drive than most females of ANY lineage, and definitely most DDR females. So, I'd like to breed her, since she has all the great qualities necessary, plus the ones no one seems to care about anymore (pigment, structure, BALANCE, BRAINS).

Now, should I spend the next 3 years trying to title her myself, since it would take me that long probably with my son, other dogs, horses, responsibilities, etc.? But if I don't title her myself, then I don't know anything about her, right? Ok, so I take the time to title her, pour hundreds if not thousands of dollars into the titling of a dog simply to make the public happy, when at the end of the day, it's the same dog as it was before. But- now the dog is 6 and I still don't know if she can reproduce herself, or if she can even reproduce! How much time and money did I waste when she turns out to be infertile? Wouldn't my time and money be better spent on a comparable female who CAN better the breed? 

Sorry to toot my own horn, but I am perfectly confident in my skills at matching puppies to owners, or adult dogs for that matter. I've only ever bred 2 litters, because I spent so much time LEARNING from the dogs before I embarked on reproducing them, but I have placed litters for other people, sold dogs for other people, and a few of my own. I can say honestly that every single dog I have ever sold/placed is still where I put them. Not to brag, but that's not luck. Ask the people doing SchH w/my puppies if their pups are less capable of SchH because I don't take their mother to the field every weekend. 


I hate to remind everyone of the obvious, but how can you better the breed if you never breed?

Gouda:  I loved your website..please do not remove any pics showing what you have accomplished.. GOd has blessed you and your Ikon is tops....keep up what you are doing and I know your right motive is in it all.

Hope  your knees get better and healed quickly.. I met a man yesterday who is 84 yrs young and he mowed my front ditch with his son doing the weed eating..He had both knees replaced 6 yrs ago...and he weighs about 220 in weight is funny, lively and a christian..
 I made a funny and told him  ' I sure hope there are no riding lawnmowers in HEAVEN!!!!!!

BREEDING IS LIKE  MARRIAGE....THE WORK NEVER ENDS AND THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE ARE EITHER DONE FOR THE LONGEVITY OR FOR THE SEASON.

YR

"Contrary to what is often used as an excuse, there certainly are more Clubs in Germany but there is not one in every small town, A TOTAL FALACY!
MANY of the Germans will commute an hour or more to go to their Clubs to train, I know it for a fact, I've traveled with my friends in Germany and Denmark to train and both trips were over an hour each way."

An hour or more???  ROTFL.  For many people in the U.S. a one-hour trip to training would be heaven.  There are people whose nearest club is 5-6 hours away, or guess what, even further.

Even in areas that have a club, often the club is closed to new members - lack of helpers, lack of time.  Therefore the club simply can't take any more new members.  There are only so many dogs you can work in a day. 

Jagenstadt, basically I do agree with you, but just had to point out the difference, that to you an hour commute to training is a big deal, whereas here in the States for many, many, many people, a one-hour travel time to SchH training would be considered a blessing.

Gouda, I would never expect every GSD buyer to love schutzhund- but every GSD buyer must respect the fact that they are buying a strong, protective, working breed, acknowledge what they can do (i.e. bitework) and train the dog so they never have issues with inappropriate aggression. For a buyer to be offended or afraid is to turn the other cheek to the nature of the breed, and in my opinion, proves said buyer's incompatibility with the GSD breed.

Hy Yellowrose

Thank you for all of your kind words. 
P.S. It wont be long now.

"There are people whose nearest club is 5-6 hours away, or guess what, even further."

Drive that far in Germany and you'll likely not be in Germany any more. 

Exactly!

"Uh, no...I didn't say every small town, I said virtually every"
Sounds like splitting hairs or back-peddling to me.
Really simple to find out, count the number of ortsgruppen's (clubs) in Germany and compare it to the number of small towns.....I'm afraid it's not even close, just another excuse and exageration.

"Then why aren't you making that drive and training your own dogs?"
Why would you imply that I don't train my dogs when you know absolutely nothing about me?
I have the availability of a TOP helper and the resources to have that helper come to my home to train with me privately whenever I like, and I also have the option of traveling about an hour to where he works dogs if I have the time to do so.
Unlike you I make no excuses, I look for solutions.
It appears that you take issue with any opinion that differes from your own, having a closed mind is a big handicap in life.