BH........is it a "Title" - Page 4

Out standing  the Awdf  is an org. the recognizes all breed dogs who train and compete in schutzhund1 they hold various events throughout the year! I am waiing  for clarification fro usa on regisration rules!   So essentilly what wlpool said was not incorrect1 Although she recognizes that bh is a title it is only her opinion and she made that clear! but no myster just had to jump in and start her damn bullshit Are you learning now max

The reason the AD is not required for dogs that earn HGH - they go FAR More than 12 miles at a fast, constant pace during their HGH trial, not to mention the training leading up to the title.   As for the BH, I believe the tests the dog must pass during training and title (for HGH) tests the temperament, maybe even better than the BH does.   If anyone is interested in a more educated answer, I can ask Ulf Kintzell about it.

molly

I guess we will just have to ignore the dumb ass and continue as if it's just a figment of ones imagination.......a reflection of inbreeding......oh well. For those whom wish to continue having a civil discussion please make your opinons known. Thanks!

No the BH is not a title and to is the German equivalant to the CGC.

 Molly, I really wish there was a club closer to me that trained for the HGH, I would love to be able to title a dog to an HGH. Unfortunately there is only the AKC herding in WI. One can only hope.

Theresa

wlpools  do you mean you got a awdf scorebook and not registered?

AWDF as an organization does not register dogs it only issues score-books. Individual breed clubs of the AWDF register dogs.

The AWDF only holds the AWDF Championship as far as trials go.

Keith Jenkins

Molly wrote: <<If anyone is interested in a more educated answer, I can ask Ulf Kintzell about it.>>

Regarding HGH dogs being exempt from the BH, there is no short answer: It should be seen in a different way. It should be seen in the chronological order. First, there was an HGH title. Then a SchH title/test was created. Obedience was assumed when professional shepherds titled their dogs simply because all training was done off leash anyway and at first only professional people obtained HGH titles. Then, after the creation of a SchH title and with the introduction of hobby people attempting to title a dog, the need to first prove that the dog is sound and obedient arose.

So, it is not so much that the dog in an HGH trial is exempt, it is that a BH was added for dogs attempting a SchH title. After so many years and since some time now the majority of titles obtained are SchH titles (as opposed to very few HGH tile), the perception has been reversed and dogs attempting an HGH title are considered exempt.

The argument could be made that nowadays a fair amount of hobby people attempts obtaining HGH titles and the obedience is at times insufficient. However, the exemption aims at the professional shepherds in Germany who participate in HGH trials.

Furthermore, the BH test has two parts: the obedience part and the temperament test. It is only the obedience part the dog is exempt from. The temperament test is incorporated in the HGH trial. The handler introduces him-/herself to the judge, shakes hand, the tattoo or microchip is tested. If the dog exhibits inappropriate aggressive behavior the dog may not participate in the trial.

PS: The statement that was made that the SV breeding regulations require a breed survey is incorrect. SV minimum breeding regulations require a working title (HGH, SchH, or DPO), a show rating of at least a "Good", and a qualifying hip- and elbow rating. If these requirements are met by both dam and sire the resulting litter will receive white papers. If the parents have both been breed surveyed in addition to these afore mentioned requirements the resulting litter will receive pink papers.

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Thanks Ulf Kintzel.....Appreciate your expertise! That sure cleared up a number of things.