Ripped off by Ronnie Moore of "THE DOG RANCH" - Page 4

Thank you Rik and Michael 49 for your support . I have received many private e-mails of support also . I was called by Mr. Moore after I placed a few calls to some influential people out in the Midwest . They were able to contact Mr. Moore and help me with my problem . Mr. Moore told me I would receive my money by the end of the week  which is here, no money yet ! Some of these people seem to dislike me because I make a living from dogs . I am sure most of the people on here do the same . It is nice that some people here seem to care more for people than dogs .

I am not disputing that this situation is complicated and no, the fact that a pregnant dog was being purchased has nothing to do with my feelings.  The fact that a supposedly pregnant bitch came in such condition is what is disturbing.  The fact that she was turned away to an uncertain future for not only her, but her pups, makes my stomach turn.  No, I would not have paid any more, I would have stalled and called authorities ON THE SPOT.

Michael states, "It is nice to see some people here seem to care more for people than dogs."  Where has a person been harmed in this, other than financially?  I understand that finances can play a role, I wouldn't WANT to lose a dime to a breeder who treats their dogs in this manner.  But, when confronted with a suffering animal, the money would be a secondary concern.  And yes, I have lost money on a dog deal before.  I am also all of 4' - 11" and 110 lbs. and I would have taken my chances on securing the animals and attempting to recoup my outlay of cash in a legal venue.  Had I lost, I would still be happy in that I saved multiple animals from neglect and an uncertain future.

Sorry, I stand by my original thoughts on the subject.

My mistake, it was original OP that the quote above is attributed to.  Sorry Michael.

In this case  the people I am referring to are my two children . They rely on me to feed them and cloth them If you have any children I would hope you understand .I am trying to make a living to support them. I cannot lose that kind of money right now if times were better perhaps, but not now. I was sorry for the poor dog as I said . I will not defend my position again . The point was to warn others of the person I mentioned . Not to debate what a bad person I am.

I do, indeed, have grown children and grandchildren.  I do understand your plight and am sorry you were put in this position.  There were times when my children were small that there wasn't enough money to pay everything.  Incidental expenses were cut and my children never suffered for it.  But, I would not lay money out if I couldn't afford to lose it in the first place, my children would come first and foremost.  If you were purchasing this dog to make money in the future, it was not taking food from your table today.  I'm not one to bash anyone for MAKING MONEY on a dog deal, if everyone were losing money, none would breed.  I just have a problem with those who care nothing about the dogs and make money on suffering.  If the dogs are being properly cared for, money is rightfully earned, you have a right to make money if breeding is what you do best.  You evidently had enough to invest or you wouldn't have made the purchase.  I'm glad you're recouping your money, if you can believe the breeder at this point, but investments are never a sure thing and you shouldn't lay it out unless you can afford to lose it.  I won't dither over your financial health as times are hard for many right now.  But, I still couldn't have let those dogs leave in the condition you describe, if it's accurate.  I'm not cold hearted and do sympathize with you, but still feel I would have done something to rescue the dogs.

GSDtravels, perhaps you need to read my post again before you add your version of what Michael states.I fail to see where I said anything about [ Nice to see some people here care more about people then dogs] I said what I felt on this matter and I don't need you to add anything to my post.If you feel so strongly about this kennel and the welfare of these dogs why don't you take it on yourself to investigate this matter. gagsd4 posted a link to one of their adds,click it and you'll know who and where they are located, then you'll be able to pursue this matter anyway you choose.This way you'll have the opportunity to save multiple animals from neglect and an uncertain future. Be sure you post your experience here so we'll know your are genuine in your quest, otherwise it might seem you are like many others on this board, all talk and no action. If this post angers you I would suggest you post your views and not what you think others say.BTW I am 6'2 and weigh 200lbs but I would not have taken or attempted to take dogs illegally from anyone, plain and simple that makes you a criminal not a hero thats why we have laws in this country. Would I have called authorities and reported this,Yes I would have.Would it have done any good, think about what happened to Amanda, documented with pictures and seen by a Vet do you think anything was done about that, it would be news to me.                                          Michael

Michael, if you look at my post, I corrected it long before you posted and apologized to you for the same thing you are doing now, misreading or not reading.  Must I apologize again?  Okay, sorry for the mistake.

In the early 80's I purchased a female, black GSD who ended up with severe dysplasia and the breeder did not honor the contract.  I paid $500 for her at the time and within 9 months had to give her up because I couldn't afford to give her the help she needed.  At that time, it would have cost me $2000 and I had children to feed.  It was a breeder in Ohio and they are no longer in business.  I will not disclose their name because it's ancient history.  At the time, the bitch was purchased for AKC OB and it broke my heart to give her up.  But I did what was best for her, gave her to someone who had the resources to vet her properly.

As for pursuing this breeder, I was not the one who witnessed the dogs in the condition described and they did not show up at my doorstep. 

GSDtravels,I suppose you added your to your post as your apoligy was not there when I read it. Any way no real harm was done.I just stated what I felt in my original post and I also stick by it. Every one has their own opinion, it doesn't make either of us right or wrong.I don't know why people continue to post bad experiences with breeders on this forum,it does nothing but tarnish the reputation of both parties,and the truth is never really known.Anyway I am sorry also and I hope you have a very nice day                                                                    Michael

Michael, I added my apology within 5 minutes, long before your response.  I let it stand as original but added my correction for any who read it before my edit.  But, that's beside the point and I will not argue further. 

As a matter of fact, I don't believe I was vicious or attacking in any of my responses, just stating my opinion and sorrow if the dogs were truly in the condition described.  I've had outsiders tell me that my boy is too skinny when you can only see the last rib.  Ironically, I've had GSD people tell me he's overweight.  So, it's a matter of opinion again on just how emaciated a dog is.  Being that this particular bitch was supposed to be pregnant, depending on how far along, I would think you shouldn't be able to see any ribs.  I was not there and did not witness the dogs' conditions.  I also don't know the OP so maybe what they perceive as skinny is not.  But, if it was their perception that the dogs were too thin as a result of neglect, something should have been done.  I will agree to disagree without getting into a pissing match.

Michael:  before you get to making this the breeders fault for bad health on three  delivered dogs, you might want to investigate yourself..There are two sides to any story and certainly this one has it..I did talk to Ronnie Moore..He called me and told me the dogs had a vet check two days before they were delivered and Mike Diehl recommended this kennel to  American K-9 academy and there is much more to the story, as always.

Since he has not come on and posted his side of the story , I will remain  very clear to not take vengence on either party...Sable working line bitches can be very lean as well as to some people who are not breeders of the working lines he sent this man,,,may not like the look of that kind of bitch..or male..He did the right thing sending the dog back. It was not what he wanted..Now as to the health of the dogs..I would not start a war about poor dogs in bad condition on the say so of this poster or any poster who just spent money and was not happy ..

Maybe Mr. MOORE will come on and tell his side of the sale and the delivery of the said dogs.

YR

YR, I'm not making this the breeders fault or anyone elses fault ,I really don't know  where you came up with that.I'm not like some of the people on this board, I don't have the incredible ability to read a post someone makes about this sort of thing and instantly start pointing fingers and playing the blame game.I know nothing of the facts about this case,neither do I know either of the people involved,so I have enough sense to say thank you for the heads up american k9,take it for what its worth to me and let it go. As for as an investigation is concerned, this doesn't involve me in any way,shape,form or fashion so I would have no reason to investigate anyone or anything involved here. If you feel it is your duty to involve yourself in this matter and choose to call the breeder and inquire about the details of this transaction between two people that you don't know ,and have no part in well thats your business. My first post about this was my last untill GSDtravels mistakenly gave me credit for stating something that someone else said.Go back and read the posts from the ones telling american k9 how she should have taken the dogs and stalled the delivery man untill authorities were summoned and you'll find the people that blame the breeder. If I had considered the dogs to be subjected to cruelty if they were delivered to me,I simply would have called and reported it.I certainly would never try to take possesion of someone elses dogs ilegally.
                                                                                                                                  Michael