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by steve1 on 13 October 2009 - 12:10
Please get your facts right before you talk about things you do not have facts for i.e Most Sch folk seem to dispose of there dogs when they have served there purpose,
How do you know this have you first hand seen of this being done not here say but actually know people who have done it first hand and i do not mean just one case for you are tarring Sch people with the same brush,
We think more of our Dogs than you seem to, No way would i ever let a dog of mine suffer as you did, and i say this and care not what you or others think of that statement
No way would i let a Dog become over weight as you do your own admission
and by doing so chance the probable health problems the dog may encounter later on if not stopped
Lady you think you are being kind but in fact quite the opposite, You said your piece and i have said mine i hate talk the way you do when you are not in a position to really know how Sch people are unless you train day in day out with them for a long time and you have not, that again by your own admission
We are no different than any other Dog lover We enjoy our sport we, well i think you bond more with your dog than having a couch potato type of dog. The Dog looks more to you and trusts you more in fact they would die for you when you really bond with a Dog
The Dog is healthier than a normal easy living Dog
You test the Nerves and Characteristics of the Dog, You find out how stable the Dog is when put under a bit of Pressure
TO ME all these points are better in a dog for breeding qualities, than a dog that just eats drinks and sleeps, But most people do not bother to put themselves out thats the plain truth of the matter the owner makes excuses for not having to get there idle butt out of the bloody chair or say they are not interested in Sch but the same people are interested in breeding from there dogs they have time to do that with the hope of a few dollars coming there way then gripe on about a sport
German Shepherd Dogs were bred to Work not grow fat laying on a settee
Steve1
by TessJ10 on 13 October 2009 - 13:10
What are you talking about?? You've obviously never been around a lot of SchH folk I know. LOL, I think everybody at our club has 1 or 2 (or more!) dogs lying around the hearth either because they were "first dogs" and didn't work out as a SchH prospect, or they got old, or it just wasn't their sport. And the only "disposal" is of money out of the owners' pockets to keep them in a long and happy retirement sprawling on the sofa. Be careful about making snap judgments based on cruelties you've read about and look around at the people actually doing the sport day in and day out and living with their dogs.
by kitkat3478 on 13 October 2009 - 13:10
Steve1,
I have never griped on the sport. I track with 2 of my dogs on a regular basis. I practice OB with most of them!
For you to say my dogs are couch potatoes and ALL over weight is an uninformed statement as far as I'm concerned. ALL my dogs are very active. My back yard is NOW fenced with over 500 feet of chain link fence. They have the option to come and go as they please.
And, my dogs eat, what they want to eat. They have access to food 24/7. they don't need to perform for an extra scoop. I have enough dogs that I WILL NOT DEAL WITH FOOD AGGRESSION!!
Can't help but notice also, several of those that keep their dogs in tip top shape, havn't kept the extra spoonfuls of pudding from their lips!
I think I made myself pretty clear when I said
That is one of the things I don't care for with some sch. people, NOT ALL, so PLEASE DON"T THINK I'M SAYING it is You, or most sch people. Dogs seem to be easily disposed of, when they have served their purpose in the sport.
They are re-homed, handled by this one, that one and the other one, until like Amanda and Adrie, No-One knows WHO had them last, and that to me is wrong.
dogs are considered assets to many breeders. A commodity easily sold and traded off.That was breeders of all breeds!
I also find it bizarre more people were griping about my TRYING TO SAVE MY DOG, than what happened to Amanda and Adrie..Unbelievable. I guess because I'm not a schutzhund person.
And FYI, even though I have 6 female shepherds, I havn't had a litter of shepherd pups since the blues. So in all reality, it's not about the money why I have my dogs. I have them because I love and enjoy them!!!!
by sueincc on 13 October 2009 - 14:10
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/321737.html#322814
"My ole' girl "Lacy" was poisened this week. You have NO IDEA of the Grief I am dealing with. She 'was..IS', my No.1 girl!!!
She is still here with me. I CANNOT Bring myself to put her to sleep. I can't make the death trip, her last trip!!!!WE ARE SUFFERING!!!! Her organs are shutting down, tho she is still eating and drinking. She is crying the blues, begging me to help her. I can't help her. There is no HELP, OTHER than to keep on loving her.
I have medication to TRY to keep her comfortable. She has done nothing, other than to be caught up in a bitter split."
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I don't know if you were just really upset because your old and cherished dog was sick and maybe exagerated her situation, maybe it was not hopeless, but we can only go by what you tell us, we can't read your mind, and from what you told us it sounded like she was suffering horribly. Every single person was upset because you would allow your dog to suffer, but we are the bad guys because what - we cried for your dog instead of feeling sorry for you?
Now you accuse people of supposedly being more upset about about your dog's situation than the Amanda situation you mentioned in your last post, First off, those dogs were dead, it was not about the prolonged agony of those dogs anymore. Secondly, you have no idea how upset people were or what went on behind the scenes.
by steve1 on 13 October 2009 - 14:10
No where did i say you had couch potato dogs i said people you were not mentioned, Now regarding feeding any animal nothing should EVER have food in front of it 24/7, the reason is the stomach is never empty
Now after feeding high class racing pigeons for 60 years to Win from all distances from 50 miles to over 700 miles you do not get to win against all the UK national wise or against 11 countries in Europe if you have Fat overweight pigeons or thin underfed pigeons they will not stand it
Nor after keeping and feeding Dogs for 60 years without any problems health wise tell me the feeding method is wrong and as for the Owner keeping food from his Dogs and eating as you say himself that extra spoonful or two ;Nice caption by the way' I can tell you that i myself weigh in at 150 lb and there is no extra weight or Fat on my frame
Again regards breeding it is a general thing which many seem to do and is said as that,
If i mean it directly at you i will tell you right out and anyone else as it may be, it makes no difference to me i do not bother what the person in question thinks for they can do nothing about it and if they think they can then get on with it, and we will meet it when it comes
No, i know you were not referring to me but it is the stigma that goes around from one to another and people like yourself believe it, it is not so
Breeders of all breeds of Dogs part with some of there animals they have too if the kennel is a good genuine one they need to keep the Bloodlines fresh you can have too much of one thing otherwise the whole setup will disintegrate that is the same in all livestock breeding
But most make sure there Dogs go to very good homes But as you know they are sometimes passed on again, The Original owner has no say in this and most times is never notified of the fact, and i am not just talking about people who train in the ScH Sport, Show kennels must do the same it is a livelihood for some But it does not mean they do not care for there dogs the same as a one dog owner who's dog is a regular couch potato
Steve1
by Bark and Hold on 13 October 2009 - 14:10
Or better yet, that the routine is not "real life" enough. Good schutzhund trainers prepare their dogs in all sorts of environments and situations, even though they ultimately are preparing for the trial. How many times on a "personal protection" dog website do you see a dog leaping through a "window" prepared to bite an "intruder"? Looks like a cut out piece of drywall in front of a normal schutzhund jump to me. Oooh, but excuse me, that is "real situational" training...
by zdog on 13 October 2009 - 14:10
by kitkat3478 on 13 October 2009 - 14:10
your point is????
Oh, that's Lacy in my avatar. Would you have not tried to save her???
No words were changed, the events are the same. It is what it was.
i'm not trying to hi-jack this thread. I stated what I don't like about sch. That wass some of people.
Do I need say more WHY I don't care for some of them?
sueincc,
you want to debate my ethics when it comes to my dogs,start another thread, I'll gladly meet you there and answer your questions, ok?!
by sueincc on 13 October 2009 - 15:10
Zdog I agree with you and Bark and Hold 100% regarding schutzhund. It is the same thing with how people complain about the schtuzhund obedience being a pattern, but I and nobody I know train that pattern. We practice it a couple times before a trial, but that's not how we train our dogs.
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kitkat since you are addressing me, I will respond, but this will be the last time on this thread because I think we are straying from the Original Posters topic. Notice I said WE not YOU. I am trying to keep from hijacking threads, just as I am trying to avoid the OT threads.
The REALLY obvious point I was making was the story of your dog has once more changed, and in this new version people were griping about you wanting to save your dog because you are not a schutzhund person, which is exactly what you said and I quote:
'I also find it bizarre more people were griping about my TRYING TO SAVE MY DOG, than what happened to Amanda and Adrie..Unbelievable. I guess because I'm not a schutzhund person."
Nothing could be further from the truth as evidenced by your own thread, which I posted a link to and your own statement regarding what happened to your dog. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/321737.html#322814
You can't just make up shit as you go along and not expect to be called on it.
As for you final question, what would I have done? Easy, if I had a poisoned, terminally ill dog in organ failure, screaming in pain I would have put that dog out of it's misery without a second thought. You know why? Because I would owe it to the dog. Because it wouldn't be about me, it would have been about the dog. I sure as hell wouldn't have come on a message board to garner sympathy for my pain while my poor dog was being tortured.
by Mystere on 13 October 2009 - 15:10
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