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by Sandy on 11 September 2009 - 21:09
Hey, all I stopped reading bc the whole ordeal is passed
You have got to be kidding me!!!!
You come on here mere hours ago, totaly trash a reputable, skilled and well-liked trainer, and then say 'I stopped reading bc the whole ordeal has passed'? WTF!!! You just posted the first message this morning! I'm sorry, Windy, but you sound like a loon.
And the word on the street is that Hanz is a sweet but difficult-to-train dog because of his lack of drive. The rumor is that Jeff was making good, albeit slow, progress with him and was looking forward to completing his titling, per your request. Most would even say that he genuinely liked your dog and enjoyed having him around, even though Hanz lacks some essential personality traits which make training more pleasant and fruitful.
Many would see the situation this way: the guy takes on a soft showline male, loans you a decent dog in the meantime (which, btw, was fully vaccinated), takes the time to work with your dog instead of turning to quick, harsh methods. You go to pick up your dog more than a month early but by the time you get there, you are tipping your hand, making strange, off-the-wall allegations. The guy feels the need to write up a release form, so that another 'Amelia' doesn't happen. He suggests a public place for you to meet, has a bank representative lined up to witness the transaction, explains the situation to the police officer, and is fully prepared to return your dog to you, as per your request. You refuse to sign the release, saying that he may have poisoned the dog (who he has just spent the last 3+ months caring for...How long did you have Hanz before you sent him away? Oh, I forgot...he's a 'member of the family'.) The guy accompanies you to the nearest PetPlace VetPlace, waits while you decide what to do, makes ammendments to the release in order to please you.
To the newbies reading this: you should be so lucky as to find a trainer this patient.
by Sandy on 11 September 2009 - 21:09
Amen, yellowrose. I totally agree with your 1-6. (My showline bitch would be offended if I agreed with your #7) 
by Mystere on 11 September 2009 - 21:09
Also to the newbies, read this thread carefully. This is "How to Make Sure You are NOT Welcome by Any Trainer or Schutzhund Club 101." There is no 102, nor is there a graduate course. You get one shot at shooting yourself in the head and foot like this. You cannot un-ring the bell, no matter how many of your posts you go back and delete.
Google and Bing are marvelous things. Trainers can google you, just as easily as you google them. And, as stated before, schutzhund is a SMALL community. Windy Pool has made herself known by this thread, as well as others.
Learn the lesson better than Windy Poole did.
Sandy,
It is astonishing, isn't it? You have to wonder what the point was. ...and she is not even in Pennsylvania!
Google and Bing are marvelous things. Trainers can google you, just as easily as you google them. And, as stated before, schutzhund is a SMALL community. Windy Pool has made herself known by this thread, as well as others.
Learn the lesson better than Windy Poole did.
Sandy,
It is astonishing, isn't it? You have to wonder what the point was. ...and she is not even in Pennsylvania!
by seablue on 11 September 2009 - 21:09
I've known Jeff and his family for about 13 years - maybe longer. Time flies by. I live where he used to live and it was sad to see him go but I wish only the best for him. I have only good things to say about him and his training. What got my dander up is this person saying that he said he would come to Texas and kill her horses. GIVE ME A BREAK!! I have been around him and his family for many years - they have a deep love and compassion for all animals. They adopted two of my barn kittens and treated them like part of the family as they do ALL their animals. Jeff wouldn't hurt a flea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not in the sport any longer but when I was, I was in his club and he worked with me and all my pups and dogs. Jeff would never stear anyone wrong.
He had the patience and kindness in him to work my difficult Mal who just wanted to eat people and everything else that came his way. And Jeff was wonderful with him!
I don't think anyone is buyintg into this person and her story. It does sound kind of hooky to me. She's just mad and now she's trying to discredit him well, it ain't gonna work lady.
And yeah, if there are great "professional" trainers in Texas - why on earth did you drive to NC???? That alone didn't make sense.
Cindi
I'm not in the sport any longer but when I was, I was in his club and he worked with me and all my pups and dogs. Jeff would never stear anyone wrong.
He had the patience and kindness in him to work my difficult Mal who just wanted to eat people and everything else that came his way. And Jeff was wonderful with him!
I don't think anyone is buyintg into this person and her story. It does sound kind of hooky to me. She's just mad and now she's trying to discredit him well, it ain't gonna work lady.
And yeah, if there are great "professional" trainers in Texas - why on earth did you drive to NC???? That alone didn't make sense.
Cindi
by wlgsd on 12 September 2009 - 00:09
What you are doing is trying to make you look good by making someone else look bad because of your insecurities. You have said it yourself that you do not want to screw the dog up, but that is what you are doing. By taking the dog away from a trainer that has givin you a time table that you agreed with when he was barely half way through with it. The proof is in your posting on June 1st saying that it would take 4 to 5 months. You said that the trainer you wanted to go to near you was to busy with doing seminars and police dog training, maybe that was a nice way of saying he did not want to deal with you, or your dog did not have the ability to do Schutzhund.
by yellowrose of Texas on 12 September 2009 - 01:09
Sandy: I have a showline male, who is soft and is a big baby..he is beautiful...I bought him because he is a Timo de la Serena grand boy...but he is not my kind of dog..I love him ,,he is a goof ball and everyone loves his look..he is as useless as tits of a boar hog.. but he has great temperament.., when not in a threatning situation..had great pigment..good angulation as not severe, but just a big hunk of gsd...he killed a cat...ha ha ha...one came on property...he has high breed scent...when a female is in heat he will knock the barn door off its hinges...lol Workability?????? NO nada
I bred him to a working line bitch to tone down the high high high drive she had and pups are still high enough for most people...but a little bit more level.....so that worked for me....I would not waste 2 minutes trying to put any kind of title on him......His hips ok good...so all is kosher...
YR Agreed with your post....thanks.
by animules on 12 September 2009 - 01:09
I almost didn't bother reading this because of who started the post. So no surpirses............ And yes I remember Amelia. Who could forget?
by Mystere on 12 September 2009 - 04:09
Where the hell is Happyday? She has proven to be very good at "diagnosing these individuals. Yooooohooo...Shelley...
by Red Sable on 14 September 2009 - 17:09
Well, I don't know him or her, and maybe I am gullible, so be it, I can think of worse crimes, but I believe her, the gist of it anyway. Every little detail may not be factual, but the threats IMO are real. Why would she say he threatened her horses if he didn't??
Sometimes, when you know someone, you are biased and don't see the whole truth either. People are totally different when it involves money than when in a friendship, that I have learned the hard way.
If she is making this drama up, she sure is persistent. She has now posted the same story in the classifieds....
Sometimes, when you know someone, you are biased and don't see the whole truth either. People are totally different when it involves money than when in a friendship, that I have learned the hard way.
If she is making this drama up, she sure is persistent. She has now posted the same story in the classifieds....
by Daveb on 14 September 2009 - 17:09
Just my 2 cents.
Don't know either party, but why if you were threatened in a public place like a Petsmart would you not call the police ? those places have cameras everywhere for shoplifters. OP already had the police involved? I think there is some missing info here.
JMO
Dave
Don't know either party, but why if you were threatened in a public place like a Petsmart would you not call the police ? those places have cameras everywhere for shoplifters. OP already had the police involved? I think there is some missing info here.
JMO
Dave
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