Ewo Von Heksterhorst--PLEASE COMMENT - Page 4

I AGREE WITH TO THAT MOLLY 100%.  If i was a breeder that would be the deal breaker if i was to breed dogs.  Bad enough that the gsd is one of the popular breeds prone to hips dysplasia.  

Of that i do agree with Molly the Hips and Elbows are Paramount if they are not of breedable standard as laid down then No dog should be bred regardless of its qualifications, but if you have the lot in a Dog so much the better
With Walker i do not wholly agree with the bit you can get as good Dogs which are not titled that is correct up to a point there are so many Dogs being bred from today because they have a pedigree and are a German shepherd People breed from them a few will work out okay
 But one thing Sch or other forms of work for a dog does do is to find our the temperament of an animal, it will find out how strong and steady its nerves are so many things which are important when breeding is considered,
 You do not want to breed from Dogs which are not strong nerved or are temperamental and you will Not often see these problems come out in a Dog who is a Couch potato because it is never put under any kind of pressure
Only when the Dog is put under a certain level of stress and pressure does these traits show or come out
I have seen it on the working field many times I know of one Dog who if he is put under so much pressure he will try and bite his handler, but on a good day the dog is fine and an excellent competition dog, on the odd occasion he is not and the Handler says he will never ever breed from him simply because of that
Steve

 Hello,
Sorry my englisch is not so good,
I'm the breeder from Ewo von Heksterhorst,
What was in the litter is like the owner now tell here,
Very sociale end good whit children
Whit us everybody is welkom, whitout us they are protective, they have a scharpnes because the father line there is KNVP in,
The dog's are not easy, end must have get your respect, but have good drive,
Very hard,
But I put last Sunday a sch1 on the sister from Ewo end it was nice
She has the balls from a male.

It are good dog's to breed whit,
Strong powerfull, full off drive's,
Esprit Von Heksterhorst has HD/A end ED/O

You don't have this not easely in a dog, sociale, nateral agression, unnust, end they go for it, a sister from Ewo end Espirt is also whit the police,
They are strong enof for that.

then you have evita von Heksterhorst to SCH3

Rita Wuyts
www.vonheksterhorst.com

Sounds like a nice litter that we need more of in the GS world to help keep the natural aggression the breed is losing....Wuyts-Rita keep breeding good strong dogs !!!

sounds like an excellent well-thought out breeding that produced super fantastic all-around great dogs.  Too bad Ewo's hips aren't good enough for breeding though - that's the "crapshoot" breeders know about - even the best parents and best litters can have bad hips - for breeding you need everything the breeder mentions above, PLUS good hips/health, for breeding!

This is such an interesting topic all around. I know of Melissa personally and I can't say that she is asking for anything outrageous at all. She is very dedicated to what she has to work with next time around. She is doing a great job doing her research and believe me this is not even in the first handful of litters she has looked at. I am very proud of her and I believe she is doing a great thing for the german shepherd. I have talked to the breeder a couple of times (the dam's owner) and he seems like a nice guy yes! He seems like a respectable guy who knows good dogs and stands behind them but I would hardly call him a kennel. He produces lots of dogs but where is the credibility at. I have no problem with dogs that aren't titled as long as the pedigree is a promising one and they have a good or better or equivalent hip rating in some form. These are important for the overall dog because you are breeding. If it was not a breeding dog it wouldn't be important at all. Maybe you are breeding to appease the many people who have interest in personal protection dogs becuase it is obvious that he has not produced anything that has went to serious working homes to go on and proove themselves as the working character you say they are. My point is ok you breed the dog several times obviously very close together with only one litter of age to get rated so now that you know what the dog has produced at least in the one litter will you continue to breed? The answer should be HELL NO! Their is such thing as compensation of the poor hips but you really have to know the lines well to know what produces the best possible outcome of each. It may be possible that the dam you got was just not a good fit with the stud although her hips were great. If the next litter has fair that should be a done deal for you! NEVER BREED THE DOG AGAIN!!! If the puppies hips are better than the litter that had 4 fair our of it than you may have a chance at success with breeding to the same lines. It is important for any breeder to build the breed. Compensate for the breeds weaknesses while adding new strengths (such as look, athleticism, etc. ) I am not debating whether or not this dog is a great dog or may be a great working litter but now I hope that you step back and look at yourself as breeder or even stud owner and ask is this what you should be doing right now? Are you just paying bills or do you honestly believe that you are strengthening the gene pool. I know that Melissa truly appreciates everyone's input because she comes back to me and tells me. She has looked up to me and unfortunately I have given her these " unreasonable expectations" because she has watched me with many of my dogs but in particular one that has OFA excellent hips, OFA normal elbows, great health, athleticism (easily climbing 14 foot fences and swimming up stream for hours), crazy prey, successful real encounters and the titles and I have yet to breed this dog because although he is great I am not sure that he will be strengthening the gene pool. She is definately going to question the motive behind people who breed untitled dogs, with questionable hips, known fair hip production, no video to judge working ability or athleticism etc. Please everyone understand that some people have expectation. I wouldn't even call that high expectation. All credibility will be changed when we see what the dog continually produces and if he is still breed despite the outcome. I know you will find a good dog Melissa and you deserve it with all the work you have put into it. Kudos to you in not being impulsive! Thanks for everyone's response. Fair topic and good information

Melissa, it is very simple actually - you can do your own research but look for exactly what you are looking for - great bloodlines that are proven in the work, good looking as per your own criteria of what you like in the looks of your dog - great temperament, great drives - but remember please, that there are MANY stud dogs bred to MANY females who are all of the above, AND carry working titles, passing hip ratings, breed surveys - look for the total package and then you will be stacking the deck in your favor that your pup will be the same.

As an example, take a look at my stud dog and female line-up for my program.  You won't find an untitled dog with no hip rating in the bunch, and they ALL have excellent proven bloodlines from known breeders in Europe - and they are proven themselves.  So it's certainly not a rare thing, you should be able to find a great puppy from proven titled hip rated parents.

molly
Eichenluft
http://workinggermanshepherd.com

Where do people come up with that OFA fair hips are bad hips. There are hip extremist, conformation extremist, title extremist. Bloodline extremeist, color extremist, size extremist etc. Isn't America great, We can all breed what we fell are good breedings, and and purchase a puppy or dog where we see fit, wether it is a super high priced  dog or one out of the pound.   It kind of amazes  me when you have thousands or is it millions of junk dogs, although I love all dogs, being bred every day, And to get such criticism, for putting together two well bred dogs.  You are never sure , that every puppy will have perfect hips. It seems like in breeds like the german shepherd, or any breed, we will have faults produced even from the very finest of bloodines. I personally don't need perfect hips . I need a overall healthy, balanced, dog  with sound but strong temperament. I will continue to breed dogs as I see fit, as we all have that right, and  obtain dogs where we choose. Some dogs with good hips produce bad hips, and i have seen the reverse. Dispite any critacizam, forgive my spelling I will continue to breed what I feel are good breedings. If I would see cripling hips , extreem shyness, Etc. that I thought was comming from my dog and not just from a bad pairing, yes then I would have good reason to not breed. Desent hips are important, I agree, as well as many other things. No dog will ever be perfect, or produce perfect.  Dale

OFA Fair is passing, no problem with that UNLESS the dog produces worse - did someone say OFA Fair was bad hips?  I don't recall...

the stud dog in question is said to have non-passing hips.

molly

Molly,

I think my point about the OFA Fair hips is that I BELIEVE that Ewo's poor hips ARE not a result of environmental but genetic!

Also, while OFA Fair is passing Ewo himself does not have a OFA or PinnHip rating....his owner has already said that his vet said one hip does not look good.  The only reason for the stud dog owner NOT